Dont be so quick. If things keep going the way they are, your granddaughter will be working for them in order to make things equitable and fair.

Living in fear and pushing more fear/outrage about the future is a waste of time and weak.

 

Is it a disadvantaged generation or a generation with new skills? Kids learn something whether they are taught, or just observing the actions and their surroundings. Whether they learned a pre-defined curriculum or they learned to adapt and, therefore, learned about adaptation like no other generation of students ever have. Different is not negative - it is just different. Differences is what allows some individuals to survive/thrive in extraordinarily situations. How much effort should be spent to turn these kids back to "the same" vs. celebrating their unusual experiences? Only the future can decide.

How important is it for students to complete prescribed curricula? Especially now with so many schools dropping SAT scores from the acceptance protocol. Leaning how to learn is the most important skill, not learning/memorizing an arbitrary curriculum.

The kids are alright.

You may want to look over what Oregon has done. It is not alright.

https://online.regiscollege.edu/blog/child-illiteracy/

 

Living in fear and pushing more fear/outrage about the future is a waste of time and weak.

Has nothing to do with living with fear, just speaking from experience/knowledge of history

 

Has nothing to do with living with fear, just speaking from experience/knowledge of history

Bah.

 

You may want to look over what Oregon has done. It is not alright.

https://online.regiscollege.edu/blog/child-illiteracy/

And that is one of many opinions. Keep telling the kids they are not alright and I can assure you, you will be right!

 

And that is one of many opinions. Keep telling the kids they are not alright and I can assure you, you will be right!

Statistics is an opinion now? Funny, for centuries people have seen education as a way out of poverty. Elsewhere they still do. Kids walk miles barefoot to schools. Girls still get killed for trying to learn how to read. And here you are. Graduating school unable to read, write or do math?

Sad part is kids at school dont know if they are alright or not. They are entirely dependant on their circumstances. That is why the school is there - to help push them up, not to bring them further down.

 

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-v...den-e9be4bb0-3d10-4f56-8054-5410be357070.html

Driving the news: The study, conducted by nference and the Mayo Clinic, compared the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in the Mayo Clinic Health System over time from January to July.

• Overall, it found that the Moderna vaccine was 86% effective against infection over the study period, and Pfizer's was 76%. Moderna's vaccine was 92% effective against hospitalization and Pfizer's was 85%.
• But the vaccines' effectiveness against infection dropped sharply in July, when the Delta variant's prevalence in Minnesota had risen to over 70%.
• Moderna was 76% effective against infection, and Pfizer was only 42% effective.
• The study found similar results in other states. For example, in Florida, the risk of infection in July for people fully vaccinated with Moderna was about 60% lower than for people fully vaccinated with Pfizer.

Why it matters: Although it has yet to be peer-reviewed, the study raises serious questions about both vaccines' long-term effectiveness, particularly Pfizer's.

Yes, but: There has been no data so far that has found either vaccine's protection against severe disease and death is significantly less against Delta, and the study notes that there doesn't appear to be much of a difference in complications stemming from breakthrough infections based on which vaccine someone got.

Looks like my booster plans are being accelerated.

 

Wear effective masks during the delta outbreak if you're unvaccinated or immune compromised.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n432

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...849e6c-eafe-11eb-97a0-a09d10181e36_story.html

And because the delta variant is much more easily transmissible than previously circulating strains of the coronavirus, “we really need highly protective masks along with everything else,” Marr said. “Where a simple cloth mask was helpful before, it’s not helpful enough now,” particularly for people who remain unvaccinated.

The woven material of many cloth masks isn’t as effective at filtering particles as the nonwoven, meltblown polypropylene used to make surgical masks and respirators, Marr said. And properly worn N95s have a leg up on standard surgical masks because they are designed to fit snugly to the face — which allows them to filter at least 95 percent of airborne particulates.
“A surgical mask is just a rectangle and you’re trying to pull it to your face,” she said. “Obviously, our faces aren’t in the shape of a flat rectangle, so you inevitably end up with lots of leaks.”

 

Can't vouch for the authenticity of this post. But it's interesting nevertheless if it turns out to be true:

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https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-v...den-e9be4bb0-3d10-4f56-8054-5410be357070.html


Looks like my booster plans are being accelerated.

Same. Been wondering about that. I have a VA hospital appointment early Sept and figure while I am there may as well see about another poke. I had absolutely no side effects from the first two. I have noticed black helicopters hovering over my house and think big brother is tracking me.

Ron

 

I've got both Pfizer shots ... I've been pondering getting a booster but using Astra Zeneca ... I'm going to wait for a little more info on that, though...

 

Are you one of those who thinks vaccines should be studied carefully? And now you come up with a plan by adding in some random producers other products? Wow!

 

Are you one of those who thinks vaccines should be studied carefully? And now you come up with a plan by adding in some random producers other products? Wow!

It's not random:

https://www.reuters.com/business/he...boosts-covid-antibody-level-study-2021-07-26/

 

https://fortune.com/2021/07/08/pfizer-fda-approval-covid-vaccine-booster/?queryly=related_article

Pfizer Inc. plans to request U.S. emergency authorization in August for a third booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine, based on early data showing that it can sharply increase immune protection against the coronavirus.

The company has received initial data from an early human study showing that a third dose of its existing coronavirus vaccine is safe and can raise neutralizing antibody levels by 5 to 10 fold compared with the original vaccine, Pfizer research head Mikael Dolsten said in an interview.

 

Statistics is an opinion now? Funny, for centuries people have seen education as a way out of poverty. Elsewhere they still do. Kids walk miles barefoot to schools. Girls still get killed for trying to learn how to read. And here you are. Graduating school unable to read, write or do math?

Sad part is kids at school dont know if they are alright or not. They are entirely dependant on their circumstances. That is why the school is there - to help push them up, not to bring them further down.

Not sure but think you missed Mr.Salts point. You must have had very good teachers that pushed you to do better, instead of telling you how you would never have a good life. Or not had a parent that no matter what grades you got they should have been higher, or how good you did at anything it wasn't enough. I had both. But I was/am stubborn and do the best I can despite what I was told.

 

Not sure but think you missed Mr.Salts point. You must have had very good teachers that pushed you to do better, instead of telling you how you would never have a good life. Or not had a parent that no matter what grades you got they should have been higher, or how good you did at anything it wasn't enough. I had both. But I was/am stubborn and do the best I can despite what I was told.

You have made many assumptions. I am largely self taught. I brough math textbook and physics encyclopedia with me when my family immigrated. I was in grade 8. I did not have good teachers. I love books. I completely missed grades 9 and 10 and went into grade 11 with little knowledge of english. I had no good teachers there either.

Oh, and when I am "pushed" to do better it backfires. I do worse. I dont do well in standardized testing either.

Mr. Salts point is still over my head however.

Imagine no expectations. You cant read? Thats ok, there is an app for that. You cannot do math? Siri will help with your finances... We understand, you are too traumatized to even try...

 

Oh, and when I am "pushed" to do better it backfires.

Mr. Salts point is still over my head however.

Imagine no expectations.

Yeah, my point was, kids motivate themselves since JUST TRYING to motivate them makes them push back.

But you already said that is how you behave. So I'm curious, @justtrying, why are the kids of Oregon so different than you?

 

Yeah, my point was, kids motivate themselves since JUST TRYING to motivate them makes them push back.

But you already said that is how you behave. So I'm curious, @justtrying, why are the kids of Oregon so different than you?

In school, i have seen very few self motivating students. Doing bare minimum is the norm. My point is - self motivation for things like STEM fields is an anomaly.

You disagree, that is fine.

If society is no longer aiming for literacy as a standard, i just want to know what it is aiming for. I have not seen an alternative presented. The standards are suspended as the state is working on a new model. That is brilliant, first we destroy, then we look for a solution.

Kids is Oregon are different because their state decided that they are different. Hence the state is putting different standards to them.

BTW, there is a difference between motivating someone and pushing them. I have no problem with motivation. My dogs motivate me to go for a walk no matter the weather. They dont push me to do it.

 

My dogs motivate me to go for a walk no matter the weather. They dont push me to do it.

Face it, your dogs threaten to crap on your floor if you don't take them out. You change definitions or frames of reference to suit your current argument.

The kids will be ok unless you keep telling them they will not be ok.

As for literacy, you seem to be an expert in education and virology in less than a year. The kids can outpace you every time so they will teach themselves when they need to.

A seventeen-year-old I know had a flat tire on her way home and looked up how to change it, changed it and headed home before her dad could get to her 5 miles away.

Another local kid figured out how to win a regional robotics competition by developing a mapping routine to find the way though a maze.

A third kid I know did the math in an excel spreadsheet how he would be better off as an electrician than an electrical engineer and convinced his day to put his college savings into a down payment on a house. Seven years later (bare minimum allowed) he's a Master electrician. Now he's making a plan to open his own shop, lease some trucks and hire some journeyman electricians.

Kids are fine. Just stop telling them they are not fine.

 

Face it, your dogs threaten to crap on your floor if you don't take them out. You change definitions or frames of reference to suit your current argument.

The kids will be ok unless you keep telling them they will not be ok.

Me changing frames of reference? That is a good one

And once again, the state is explicitly telling the kids that they are no ok already because they are disadvantaged by this or that or the other. This is repeatedly drilled into their heads.

I am done. Thanks for not listening