This expression always bothers me. Jim Jones actually used a product named “Flavor Aid”. A cheaper version of Kool Aid. But somewhere along the way once the name got mangled then everyone repeated the mistake.

You may wonder why I care, I’ll tell you. I was living in San Francisco in 1978 when the People’s Temple crisis came to a climax at the mass suicide at Jonestown. My best friend was working at the Ag dept lab across the bay. His boss was Dr. Layton whose son Larry was the gunman who killed people at the nearby airstrip when people tried to get away. You can look up the details. I hope you appreciate my sensitivity to the expression. Thanks

It’s risen above that now gone Urban. 10 years from now it will have a meaning all to its own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid

Drinking the Kool-Aid" is an expression used to refer to a person who believes in a possibly doomed or dangerous idea because of perceived potential high rewards. The phrase often carries a negative connotation. It can also be used ironically or humorously to refer to accepting an idea or changing a preference due to popularity, peer pressure, or persuasion. In recent years it has evolved further to mean extreme dedication to a cause or purpose, so extreme that one would "drink the Kool-Aid" and die for the cause.

Doom and Dangerous is best described in the way my Daughter felt about it. When I told her she then began this dramatic statement “I’ve really enjoyed our relationship now and want you to know how much I’ve enjoyed your time with me” as if I had Terminal Cancer or something.

I realize how you feel about it, but maybe I’ve just been through more trauma than most which makes me numb to most things that irritate or depress others.

My daughter criticizes me about that as well, non-emotional. But, if under extreme stress is where I operate best. Can’t win with her.


kv

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/german-scientists-claim-solved-covid-075701995.html

German scientists claim to have discovered why some coronavirus vaccines cause blood clots.

The researchers said Covid-19 vaccines that employ adenovirus vectors - cold viruses used to deliver vaccine material - send some of their payload into the nucleus of cells.

Some of the instructions for making coronavirus proteins can be misread, potentially triggering blood clot disorders in a small number of recipients, they suggest.

Johnson & Johnson and the AstraZeneca have been linked to rare, but serious, blood clots over the last few months. This has led some countries such as Denmark, Norway and Austria, to cease the use of the jab while others restricted its use to older adults.
...
Marschalek told the Financial Times that the process is different with mRNA vaccines, such as those made by Pfizer and Moderna, because the genetic material of the spike protein is sent directly to the cell fluid and does not enter the nucleus.

The paper, which has not yet been reviewed by experts, also suggests that those making vaccines using adenovirus vectors could alter the sequence of the spike protein “to avoid unintended splice reactions and to increase the safety of these pharmaceutical products.”

 

Scientists have discovered another deadly pathogen they are calling the Peekaboo virus.
Doctors are sending anyone with peekaboo straight to ICU.

 

Fed weighs in on required employee vaccinations.
What to know if your employer requires vaccinations: federal legal protections (msn.com)

As a side note: Not sure if still true but when I was a teenager the state of Tennessee required all food workers (including those in the grocery and agricultural chain) to be tested and found negative for Tuberculosis in order to be employed.

 

Now the Washington Post joins in...
Coronavirus ‘lab leak’ theory jumps from mocked to maybe as Biden orders intelligence review (msn.com)

 

Now the Washington Post joins in...
Coronavirus ‘lab leak’ theory jumps from mocked to maybe as Biden orders intelligence review (msn.com)

While more scientists have said the lab-leak theory is worthy of further investigation, many have cautioned against embracing it too enthusiastically.

“The only reason this story has any legs is the media has chosen to dress up old speculation as new information and claim that it’s evidence. It’s not. It’s speculative, and all origin hypotheses remain possible,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization at the University of Saskatchewan.

Indeed, it took years to unravel the source of the SARS epidemic.

Nothing has changed from a year ago. The U.S. intelligence community rates the intelligence confidence of lab origin as LOW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_confidence

• Low confidence generally means questionable or implausible information was used, the information is too fragmented or poorly corroborated to make solid analytic inferences, or significant concerns or problems with sources existed.[1]

 

I read or saw somewhere while I was banned from this thread, that it came from some lab field workers. They were out in the country side exploring caves and gathering bats for experiments in the lab. They got bit by a bat and were the first to get the virus. That seems now to be another theory of how it started. They were the guys that presented to a hospital with Covid symptoms first, around September of 2019. Not what I remember but basically the same - https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566

 

I read or saw somewhere while I was banned from this thread, that it came from some lab field workers. They were out in the country side exploring caves and gathering bats for experiments in the lab. They got bit by a bat and were the first to get the virus. That seems now to be another theory of how it started. They were the guys that presented to a hospital with Covid symptoms first, around September of 2019. Not what I remember but basically the same - https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566

Bravo Zulu
That's been the main theory that fits what small evidence we have. The variant found in Wuhan was a mutation of the original animal to human infection virus that occurred months earlier in the south.

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/17/9241

In a phylogenetic network analysis of 160 complete human severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-Cov-2) genomes, we find three central variants distinguished by amino acid changes, which we have named A, B, and C, with A being the ancestral type according to the bat outgroup coronavirus. The A and C types are found in significant proportions outside East Asia, that is, in Europeans and Americans. In contrast, the B type is the most common type in East Asia, and its ancestral genome appears not to have spread outside East Asia without first mutating into derived B types, pointing to founder effects or immunological or environmental resistance against this type outside Asia. The network faithfully traces routes of infections for documented coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases, indicating that phylogenetic networks can likewise be successfully used to help trace undocumented COVID-19 infection sources, which can then be quarantined to prevent recurrent spread of the disease worldwide.

This viral network is a snapshot of the early stages of an epidemic before the phylogeny becomes obscured by subsequent migration and mutation. The question may be asked whether the rooting of the viral evolution can be achieved at this early stage by using the oldest available sampled genome as a root. As SI Appendix, Fig. S4 shows, however, the first virus genome that was sampled on 24 December 2019 already is distant from the root type according to the bat coronavirus outgroup rooting.

In the early part of the pandemic before variants mixed around the world later we might have as a possibility:
Type B as found in Wuhan was not the type found in the USA. This means our infections are from a root of the tree before the Wuhan B mutation that was detected in Wuhan and in spread in China but not the USA because our carrier was infected by the original virus maybe before Wuhan B existed.

 

https://scitechdaily.com/tracing-co...re-the-first-known-cases-identified-in-china/

Kumar’s group estimates that the SARS-CoV-2 progenitor was already circulating with an earlier timeline — at least 6 to 8 weeks prior to the first genome sequenced in China, known as Wuhan-1. “This timeline puts the presence of proCoV2 in late October 2019, which is consistent with the report of a fragment of spike protein identical to Wuhan-1 in early December in Italy, among other evidence,” said Sayaka Miura, a senior author of the study.

“We have found progenitor genetic fingerprint in January 2020 and later in multiple coronavirus infections in China and the USA. The progenitor was spreading worldwide months before and after the first reported cases of COVID-19 in China,” said Pond.

 

https://scitechdaily.com/tracing-co...re-the-first-known-cases-identified-in-china/

I have thought about that. Starting around December 27 of 2019 wife and I returned from Christmas at my sister's and I was miserable for about 3 days with flu like symptoms. Then by New Years Eve I felt much better. Then in March 2020 along came COVID. Never contracted COVID and when available wife and I both got the shots. So I wonder did I just have a bad cold, flu like symptoms or what? Not that I really care anymore.

Ron

 

I have thought about that. Starting around December 27 of 2019 wife and I returned from Christmas at my sister's and I was miserable for about 3 days with flu like symptoms. Then by New Years Eve I felt much better. Then in March 2020 along came COVID. Never contracted COVID and when available wife and I both got the shots. So I wonder did I just have a bad cold, flu like symptoms or what? Not that I really care anymore.

Ron

Whatever happened (if indeed it did happen) in a lab (accidental release, bio-weapon research, gain of function research, intentional release, ...) in China was not IMO central to the eventual world-wide spread of the virus if that event happened in Wuhan because it's pretty clear Wuhan was only a related branch of something else that was already infecting people at levels below detection level across the world for sometime with a likely origin directly related to a species jump in southern China.

 

Whatever happened (if indeed it did happen) in a lab (accidental release, bio-weapon research, gain of function research, intentional release, ...) in China was not IMO central to the eventual world-wide spread of the virus if that event happened in Wuhan because it's pretty clear Wuhan was only a related branch of something else that was already infecting people at levels below detection level across the world for sometime with a likely origin directly related to a species jump in southern China.

I figure it this way. Going through life there are some things we likely will never have clear answers to during our lifetime. Often the truth comes out after we check out. At my age I am not about to overly worry about it either way. I am just trying to enjoy the ride while it last. Even when the truth does come out there will always be those who believe it and those who doubt it. Personally based on my own experiences with certain governments I am not about to believe what they claim and that includes my own as well as foreign. Que sera, sera is how I see it.

Ron

 

"I don't believe in Covid, I have an immune system"

 

I figure it this way. Going through life there are some things we likely will never have clear answers to during our lifetime. Often the truth comes out after we check out. At my age I am not about to overly worry about it either way. I am just trying to enjoy the ride while it last. Even when the truth does come out there will always be those who believe it and those who doubt it. Personally based on my own experiences with certain governments I am not about to believe what they claim and that includes my own as well as foreign. Que sera, sera is how I see it.

Ron

Speculation here: The way I see it is that belief in the lab release theory requires a high level of belief in Chinese statements and actions surrounding the virus discovery by them near Wuhan. My personal belief is the Chinese knew something was in circulation for months before the official discovery but did everything they could to hide it's existence and the are still hiding that early origin information today, not the lab's involvement that they know is a cover story. The lab story (much of it is early misinformation leaked from Chinese sources) makes a convenient side-show designed to hide the real misdeeds that allowed it to spread until it was impossible to contain. Direct government actions instead of some poor sloppy lab tech caused the Pandemic.

 

"I don't believe in Covid, I have an immune system"

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What a sad, sad story... I'll never understand people that shun science and reality...

 

Speculation here: The way I see it is that belief in the lab release theory requires a high belief in Chinese statements and actions surrounding the virus discovery by them near Wuhan. My personal belief is the Chinese knew something was in circulation for months before the official discovery but did everything they could to hide it's existence and the are still hiding that early origin information today, not the lab's involvement that they know is a cover story. The lab story (much of it is early misinformation lab leaked from Chinese sources) makes a convenient side-show designed to hide the real misdeeds that allowed it to spread until it was impossible to contain. Direct government actions instead of some poor sloppy lab tech caused the Pandemic.

You and I are pretty much on the same page...

 

"I don't believe in Covid, I have an immune system"

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At 33 years old the question begs did he have any other health issues? It's not just a matter of having an immune system. Sometimes other health issues, often unknown, are a deciding factor in living through it or dying and that holds true for any common flu strain. How often have we seen a 16 or 17 year old kid drop dead following a common High School athletic event? Normally there is an unknown health condition. I figured it this way. The odds were in my favor getting vaccinated. The decision not to get vaccinated is a matter of personal choice.

Ron

 

Speculation here: The way I see it is that belief in the lab release theory requires a high belief in Chinese statements and actions surrounding the virus discovery by them near Wuhan. My personal belief is the Chinese knew something was in circulation for months before the official discovery but did everything they could to hide it's existence and the are still hiding that early origin information today, not the lab's involvement that they know is a cover story. The lab story (much of it is early misinformation leaked from Chinese sources) makes a convenient side-show designed to hide the real misdeeds that allowed it to spread until it was impossible to contain. Direct government actions instead of some poor sloppy lab tech caused the Pandemic.

Oh yeah and without a doubt. Just my own opinion but I have played the game with them and read no shortage of reports on them involving just about everything one could imagine.

Ron

 

This expression always bothers me. Jim Jones actually used a product named “Flavor Aid”. A cheaper version of Kool Aid. But somewhere along the way once the name got mangled then everyone repeated the mistake.

You may wonder why I care, I’ll tell you. I was living in San Francisco in 1978 when the People’s Temple crisis came to a climax at the mass suicide at Jonestown. My best friend was working at the Ag dept lab across the bay. His boss was Dr. Layton whose son Larry was the gunman who killed people at the nearby airstrip when people tried to get away. You can look up the details. I hope you appreciate my sensitivity to the expression. Thanks

That's three degrees of separation - Your friend's-boss's-son.
Michael Gurevich and Stanley Milgram would say you are three degrees from every American - and their work was from 1973. The internet has made the wold smaller with Facebook and LinkedIn and AllAboutCircuits and ... So, it's highly likely, you're likely you're three degrees (or less) of separation from every American mass murderer.

 

TheReport.com, the website of the Bulletin Of Atomic Scientists (the organization that publishes the doomsday clock status) published an article about how human error at a virology lab is the most likely source of the next pandemic. Published February 2019.

https://thebulletin.org/2019/02/human-error-in-high-biocontainment-labs-a-likely-pandemic-threat/