I will take Covid seriously when someone tells me when I can stop taking it seriously. Remember "two weeks to flatten the curve"?

I am sorry for your folks -- and am happy they are in recovery -- but Wuhan is here to stay.

The only question is: what kind of lives do we choose to lead from this point forward?

My post was about people in my hometown, not my folks. My mother also has Covid and so far is mild and improving. My father is long dead.

My point is that RIGHT NOW, in ND the hospitals are overrun. This is what we feared in March but didn't happen. It's happening now. The new case tally is rising vertically. This is very alarming. I wasn't particularly worried about getting Covid as I am mid 50s and healthy to my knowledge, but that was predicated on knowing I could get treatment if the sickness came on. Right now people might in fact die in the waiting room with no hospital capacity.

 

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/11/why-are-oregons-covid-19-cases-rising-so-fast.html

The mainly young spreading this infection now is no surprise and predictions of a bad winter wave happen in the spring because that's how these things happen (the virus lining survives much longer in the cold) and always will happen unless there is an effective vaccine or it's stopped in the beginning (The world can blame China for that). Europe is twice as bad as we currently are for all the boasting about how they were ready. Sorry, but it's a infectious force of nature that only the very isolated and lucky will escape from at this point in the cycle.

 

Remember "two weeks to flatten the curve"?

I am sorry for your folks -- and am happy they are in recovery -- but Wuhan is here to stay.

The only question is: what kind of lives do we choose to lead from this point forward?

The incubation period of the virus is 2 weeks max, so if you could separate everyone for 2 weeks, the infected would get sick, the rest wouldn't. But quarantines almost never work because they're almost never perfect. What they do accomplish is to slow down the spread. For 2 weeks those infected people didn't infect anyone else and the healthy people stayed healthy. It buys time.

Wuhan is now safer than much of the US. The Chinese take lockdowns much more seriously than we do (they don't have a choice) and they work a lot better.

We need to buy time until the vaccines come out. By the end of the year that should happen. Then starts the process of giving shots to millions of people, by about June everyone who wants one should be able to get it. Some people won't want one and that's sort of OK because there'll be less virus and more immune people around. The virus will die out on it's own when it can't infect anyone. It's not an entity, it's a chain of people infecting people. Break the chain and it stops.

 

The incubation period of the virus is 2 weeks max, so if you could separate everyone for 2 weeks, the infected would get sick, the rest wouldn't. But quarantines almost never work because they're almost never perfect. What they do accomplish is to slow down the spread. For 2 weeks those infected people didn't infect anyone else and the healthy people stayed healthy. It buys time.

Wuhan is now safer than much of the US. The Chinese take lockdowns much more seriously than we do (they don't have a choice) and they work a lot better.

We need to buy time until the vaccines come out. By the end of the year that should happen. Then starts the process of giving shots to millions of people, by about June everyone who wants one should be able to get it. Some people won't want one and that's sort of OK because there'll be less virus and more immune people around. The virus will die out on it's own when it can't infect anyone. It's not an entity, it's a chain of people infecting people. Break the chain and it stops.

We will need at least a month of Chinese style lockdowns on the 20-40 age group to break the current cycle as we need to push R0 far below 1 for at least several weeks.

 

That's my neighbor's house, 1000 feet way. I buy groceries from Walmart and Amazon online, delivered by Fedex and UPS. I'm retired, don't go out.

Beautiful sight... I envy you...

 

I’ve never heard of a patient needing to be ambulanced only to be told there is no hospital bed available.

Way, way before Covid, my ex almost died from an autoimmune disease. The local hospital wasn’t equipped to treat her - and there were no hospital beds in Boston where there were Doctor’s who could treat her.

So, it happens.

Fortunately, because of the hospital buzz, the Chief of Surgery dropped in and he knew what to do.

 

The only question is: what kind of lives do we choose to lead from this point forward?

I'm voting for the Alive kind of life.
Luckily, we won't have to convince non-believers to wear masks in order to eventually increase the percentage of people wearing masks.

 

Way, way before Covid, my ex almost died from an autoimmune disease. The local hospital wasn’t equipped to treat her - and there were no hospital beds in Boston where there were Doctor’s who could treat her.

So, it happens.

Fortunately, because of the hospital buzz, the Chief of Surgery dropped in and he knew what to do.

Not relevant I'd say. We've had months to prepare for this surge. The system failed. As I've said previously, the various levels of government AND the healthcare system are to blame.

 

Not relevant I'd say. We've had months to prepare for this surge. The system failed. As I've said previously, the various levels of government AND the healthcare system are to blame.

Well, we disagree. The poster stated that he never heard of an ambulance patient being denied due to a lack of beds. The post was Covid-related. I gave an example disproving his observation, whether Covid or not.

I do agree that we had months to prepare for the surge. But we didn’t and in the case of hospital bed availability, perhaps we couldn’t. Perhaps, but I’m not discussing that here.

 

Not relevant I'd say. We've had months to prepare for this surge. The system failed. As I've said previously, the various levels of government AND the healthcare system are to blame.

Yes, the pandemic control system failed world-wide with the exception of special case nations that are as isolated (island nations) as a sub on the bottom of the ocean, places like China that frog-marched people into covid-19 concentration camps or places that just lie like North Korea.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105

Coronavirus is continuing its spread across the world with more than 50 million confirmed cases in 191 countries and about 1.3 million deaths.
The virus is surging in many regions and countries that had apparent success in suppressing initial outbreaks are also seeing infections rise again.

 

I gave an example disproving his observation, whether Covid or not.

Your example disproves nothing. Your experience is just different than what she expected from a hospital in Fargo.

But we didn’t and in the case of hospital bed availability, perhaps we couldn’t. Perhaps, but I’m not discussing that here.

Well, I am discussing it and don't see any need to say "perhaps". Hospitals could have easily added beds, and had contingency plans to move medical personnel around the country if needed, and I see no evidence that happened. Fauci was busy throwing out major league baseballs when he and the rest could have been doing their job - helping protect us, especially the elderly and sickly. Once gain government fails, and fails miserably.

 

https://www.kptv.com/news/brown-ins...cle_5832de18-25cb-11eb-ac16-5f3cc94d030b.html

SALEM, OR (KPTV) – The governors of Oregon, Washington and California have jointly announced new travel advisories for their states to combat the spread of COVID-19, which include a recommended 14-day quarantine after travel out of each state.

On Friday, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee and California Gov. Gavin Newsom issued the recommended advisories, “urging visitors entering their states or returning home from travel outside these states to self-quarantine to slow the spread of the virus.”

These are not orders, just requests but the screws are tightening.

 

The next shoe dropping.
https://www.kptv.com/news/gov-brown...cle_b1b31a8e-25e9-11eb-b314-1fee4812e39f.html

Friday’s freeze measures are far more sweeping for the state. They include:

Limiting social get-togethers (indoors and outdoors) to no more than six people, total, from no more than two households.
Limiting faith-based organizations to a maximum of 25 people indoors or 50 people outdoors.
Limiting restaurants and bars to take-out only.
Closing gyms and fitness organizations.
Closing indoor recreational facilities, museums, indoor entertainment activities, and indoor pools and sports courts.
Closing outdoor recreational facilities, zoos, gardens, aquariums, outdoor entertainment activities, and outdoor pools.
Limiting grocery stores and pharmacies to a maximum of 75% capacity and encouraging curbside pick-up.
Limiting retail stores and retail malls (indoor and outdoor) to a maximum of 75% capacity and encouraging curbside pick-up.
Closing venues (that host or facilitate indoor or outdoor events).
Requiring all businesses to mandate work-from-home to the greatest extent possible and closing offices to the public.
Prohibiting indoor visiting in long-term care facilities.

 

Your example disproves nothing. Your experience is just different than what she expected from a hospital in Fargo.
Well, I am discussing it and don't see any need to say "perhaps". Hospitals could have easily added beds, and had contingency plans to move medical personnel around the country if needed, and I see no evidence that happened. Fauci was busy throwing out major league baseballs when he and the rest could have been doing their job - helping protect us, especially the elderly and sickly. Once gain government fails, and fails miserably.

No, they couldn’t. And so I will agree that we disagree. Bye

 

Your example disproves nothing. Your experience is just different than what she expected from a hospital in Fargo.
Well, I am discussing it and don't see any need to say "perhaps". Hospitals could have easily added beds, and had contingency plans to move medical personnel around the country if needed, and I see no evidence that happened. Fauci was busy throwing out major league baseballs when he and the rest could have been doing their job - helping protect us, especially the elderly and sickly. Once gain government fails, and fails miserably.

The state with the biggest Covid Denying population shouldn't suddenly get the most support. NoDak's mismanagement is not my emergency. As Dr Birx what she thinks about NorthDakota... (Darwin has never been wrong).
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/health/deborah-birx-north-dakota-covid-cases/index.html
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The state with the biggest Covid Denying population shouldn't suddenly get the most support. NoDak's mismanagement is not my emergency. As Dr Birx what she thinks about NorthDakota... (Darwin has never been wrong).
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/health/deborah-birx-north-dakota-covid-cases/index.html

Yeah, after you compared mask wearing to condoms I stopped putting much in your posts, and no offense, your support means nothing to me.

Regardless, my comments apply to the surrounding states as well, so there's no need for you to inject your political venom into the discussion. As for rural folk not wearing masks I blame piece of excrements like Fauci lying his backside off at the beginning of the pandemic about masks not being necessary or helpful. After all the misleading and contradictory information we've all had to endure, I don't blame anyone for their distrust.

I live in Minnesota, and we currently have about 300 ICU beds. Our governor was just on the radio unable to assure us we have enough capacity. And that would be his fault. He's had months to prepare and I can't help wonder if some of these politicians secretly covet a high death toll.

 

there's no need for you to inject your political venom into the discussion.

I was just stating a fact of how triage works. No politics involved. Also, any part of Minnesota west of the Twin Cities may as well be the Dakotas - South Dakota is in worse shape than North Dakota.

Dr Fauci stopped saying "no masks" in May. Are you really so slow that you cannot figure out that science involves learning and discovery? You manage to update the way you do your taxes or operate new features on your phone - yet such a challenge to learn the recommendations in masks changed? Wow. I always thought MN had such a good education system. The "NoDak Brain Drain" conference I attended in Grand Forks in the early 90s was about college educated young people leaving the state - after your comments, am now concerned it progressed to people just draining their brain.

I also used to be amazed how so many people in Minnesota and the Dakotas like to talk about being self-reliant and responsible for their own actions. Now I'm just hearing how Fauci's recommendations from April are responsible for their unhappiness.

 

Are you really so slow that you cannot figure out that science involves learning and discovery?

Fauci wasn't learning, he was LYING. Try to keep up.

 

Fauci wasn't learning, he was LYING. Try to keep up.

Listen to the Dr.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dr-fauci-tells-americans-youre-120349939.html

Dr. Fauci Tells Americans "Do What You're Told"

Masks, social distancing and traditional methods are useless now to reverse the current trend.
We are now exponential, there are three methods to stop it.

Vaccine
Strict shutdowns/Lockdown/Freezes
or

Spoiler

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/11/05-0729_article

An interesting follow up on SARS.

What I am looking for is more research as ti whether countries that were affected by SARS actually have a higher level of preexisting immunity (T cells). This would explain quite a lot.