No speculation on shelf life of products at Costco or Sams, it’s flying off the shelf’s.

Kv

Yeah, I read about that and fortunately ammunition also has a long shelf life.

Ron

 

Why quarantine and increase "social distancing"? Even if the number of total cases is not reduced, it flattens the curve of the number of cases over time. The goal is to not overwhelm the health care system or keep the overload to as little as possible. Putting up with canceled events and travel is something we can all do to help out. It's not all about paranoia.

 

There are other seasonal human coronaviruses (SARS-CoV, etc ...) already endemic in the global population. Now we will have another that we will develop herd immunity from and warming global temperatures could lead to a milder flu seasons in the future.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4687117/

The SARS epidemic in 2003 has awakened scientists and the world on the ability of coronaviruses for animal-to-human transmission. It was one of the worst epidemics in our city’s history, with 1,755 people infected and 299 died from the dreadful infection. The animal sources of SARS-CoV was later traced back to civets in wild life markets in China as the intermediate host, and ultimately to horseshoe bats as the primary reservoir [1, 2]. Although SARS-related coronaviruses are continuously found in bats from China and worldwide, it is believed that the immediate ancestor of human SARS-CoV has disappeared. Nevertheless, we still have to be vigilant about the possibility of re-emergence of SARS and uphold measures to avoid mixing of wild animals especially bats and civets in markets.

Beside SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV which have only emerged recently, the other four human-pathogenic coronaviruses, namely, HCoV-229E, HCoV-OC43, HCoV-NL63 and HCoV-HKU1, have been continuously circulating in human for at least decades or centuries. Although they are often thought to be associated with mild respiratory illnesses, increasing reports have suggested that they may cause severe infections, especially in people at the extremes of age or those with comorbidities.

 

Apparently there has been a run on TP in P'burgh. Daughter had to go to Sam's to find any. Son in Seattle is also now sick. He is a road warrior for a software company there and they along with most of the others have stopped all travel by employees.

 

Apparently there has been a run on TP in P'burgh. Daughter had to go to Sam's to find any. Son in Seattle is also now sick. He is a road warrior for a software company there and they along with most of the others have stopped all travel by employees.

Spoiler

https://factcheck.afp.com/these-images-show-road-accident-australia-2016

The about section here of the page describes itself as satire/parody, and that “all characters appearing in the The Blue Mountains Times, even those based on real people are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any person, living, dead or undead, is purely a miracle.”

 

Putting up with canceled events and travel is something we can all do to help out. It's not all about paranoia.

If everyone does that, a lot of business are going to be hurting and we might be looking at a depression instead of a recession.

The US Fed has screwed up. They didn't raise interest rates when they had a chance, now they don't have much to lower.

 

The CDC is still under reporting. As of 4PM 3/6/2020, they're reporting 11 deaths and 165 cases. Earlier in the day, the news was reporting 14 deaths and 260+ cases. Deaths are now at 17.

They claim their results are a day behind.

 

If everyone does that, a lot of business are going to be hurting and we might be looking at a depression instead of a recession.

The US Fed has screwed up. They didn't raise interest rates when they had a chance, now they don't have much to lower.

Your right. I am going out this morning to lick some supermarket cart handles to do my part for the economy. (Flag: sarcasm). The economic recession was set when the Chinese family ate the pangolin or however it started. My point is someone is not going to go to an NCAA tournament game or fly to the Tokyo Olympics because interest rates are lower. They won't go because they do not want to get sick. Lower interest rates might save some businesses if they can refinance debt they can't pay but they were on the edge anyway. It is not a finance problem, it is a health problem.

On a lighter note: Lobsters get revenge on their exploiters. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/virus-makes-lobsters-cheap-sellers-120000170.html

 

The CDC is probably not able to determine who has the chinese death flu. In young healthy individuals it presents as a normal common cold and who goes to the doctor for that? My son and daughter in law in Seattle MAY have it but to them, it is just a nuisance cold and not worth going to the doctor for.

 

Putting up with canceled events and travel is something we can all do to help out. It's not all about paranoia.

Pretty easy to say. Have you lost anything as a result of this? Sometimes something booked months in advance gets cancelled and people can lose some serious money. Helping out is one thing, taking a finical hit personally is a different thing all together. How's your investment portfolio looking lately? Losing any money as a result of paranoid and hysteria?

Ron

 

This virus has a lot of people on edge; especially when you can't trust government officials to tell you the truth.

People are avoiding Chinese restaurants and harassing Asian people because the virus originated in China. Some of those people have no interaction with China, other than having roots there. Because they look different, it's easier to profile them than say a person of Italian descent.

I heard a doctor on the news say that the virus can only survive on surfaces (like things you or others have touched in a grocery store) for a few hours. He said just don't touch your face before washing your hands and you'll be fine.

I've seen other reporting that says the virus can survive on surfaces for up to 29 days (cold, not too dry).

I've heard people saying that warmer temperatures in the Spring will make it go away. But the virus lives in it's hosts even when they have a fever. Not too many places have Spring temperatures over 100F.

There's too much conflicting information. The CDC seems to be the least reliable source because they're always a day behind. Either because they're trying to suppress bad information or they're incompetent. How much time would it take to update their statistics in real time???

 

Haven't checked my investments and they are already somewhat protected from market volatility. I was delayed ~4-5 weeks on ~14 shipments from china and still 2 vendors there unresponsive as yet. One of those orders is from around mid-January so over 6 weeks delay on it and it hasn't even shipped. Used to the run on grocery and hardware store items from past hurricane preparedness panics. More like ill-preparedness around here.

 

I'm sure the CDC is doing updates as expeditiously as they can but getting data in from the very varied field sources is a daunting task. At best I would expect at least a 2-3 day lag in collection of data to input.

 

Having half of my retirement account in variable annuities is looking better and better. My managed IRA is down, but I don't check it often. I'm paying a professional to anticipate market fluctuations and make appropriate decisions. I'm not sure how much I trust him, but he was rated #9 in the state for 2020. There's only one other manager in his company that did better.

 

Haven't checked my investments and they are already somewhat protected from market volatility. I was delayed ~4-5 weeks on ~14 shipments from china and still 2 vendors there unresponsive as yet. One of those orders is from around mid-January so over 6 weeks delay on it and it hasn't even shipped. Used to the run on grocery and hardware store items from past hurricane preparedness panics. More like ill-preparedness around here.

Kathy and I are pretty much all low risk, not like when we were young and could always put it back. The Feb statement should come in any day and I have no desire to track things online. I figure it is what it is and while we can well afford a hit since things have been very, very good it does not mean I will like it.

Ron

 

It's pretty sad when the news has more current (accurate) information than the CDC. It would cost them nothing to update more frequently. States are sending them results. All they have to do is have the website access their database.

 

I've heard people saying that warmer temperatures in the Spring will make it go away. But the virus lives in it's hosts even when they have a fever. Not too many places have Spring temperatures over 100F.

Inside people there is a environment to replicate when the protective shell of the virus softens from warming. On your door handle it just dies.

 

Government employees are not known for being the best and brightest at expeditious communications.

 

On your door handle it just dies.

My concern is does that take a few hours or 29 days?

 

It's pretty sad when the news has more current (accurate) information than the CDC. It would cost them nothing to update more frequently. States are sending them results. All they have to do is have the website access their database.

Accurate? I would question any numbers currently from any source.