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dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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People need to work and finding large numbers of sitters now will be almost impossible.
Having both parents work is a personal choice. Before my Wife and I had children, we learned about a situation with a relative where her daughter thought she had two moms and the one during the day was nicer than the one during the evenings. The daughter had an unhealthy relationship with the sitter, and it went both ways. The sitter would go out of her way to do things for the relative so she could keep caring for the girl.

After hearing that, my Wife and I decided that one of us would stay home when we had children so they'd have our values and learn to do things from us. Since I had the higher paying job with more potential for advancement, she stayed home. She never worked for pay after that and was able to fully participate in school and extracurricular activities of our kids. It was better that way because I was orphaned as a teen and didn't know how to be very nurturing because I never experienced much of that in my childhood.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Having both parents work is a personal choice. Before my Wife and I had children, we learned about a situation with a relative where her daughter thought she had two moms and the one during the day was nicer than the one during the evenings. The daughter had an unhealthy relationship with the sitter, and it went both ways. The sitter would go out of her way to do things for the relative so she could keep caring for the girl.

After hearing that, my Wife and I decided that one of us would stay home when we had children so they'd have our values and learn to do things from us. Since I had the higher paying job with more potential for advancement, she stayed home. She never worked for pay after that and was able to fully participate in school and extracurricular activities of our kids. It was better that way because I was orphaned as a teen and didn't know how to be very nurturing because I never experienced much of that in my childhood.
It's a personal choice if you have the financial resources. (I do, so my wife stayed at home with the children) Hard working nurses that might need to miss work to stay at home with children are a good example as they are vital to the operations of a medical emergency. Having both parents working might be the difference between just scraping by and having the financial resources to save for children and college for those children.
 

dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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It's a personal choice if you have the financial resources. ...Having both parents working might be the difference between just scraping by and having the financial resources to save for children and college for those children.
I'm old school. I believe it's a man's job to provide for his family. If he can't do that, he's not ready for the responsibility and should wait until he is before having children. In his later years, my Father failed in that regard and I learned from that situation.
 

SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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Both the wife and I worked, childcare was planned and paid for. A small part of our income. I can't see having teachers fully Personal Protective Equipped.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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I'm old school. I believe it's a man's job to provide for his family. If he can't do that, he's not ready for the responsibility and should wait until he is before having children. In his later years, my Father failed in that regard and I learned from that situation.
I'm a member of that club too but that doesn't change today's reality for younger people living in a world where an old house costs upwards of $350K in a bad neighborhood in Portland metro.
 

dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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I'm a member of that club too but that doesn't change today's reality for younger people living in a world where an old house costs upwards of $350K in a bad neighborhood in Portland metro.
They could live in Boring (or Washington) and have a longer commute.
 

nsaspook

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They could live in Boring (or Washington) and have a longer commute.
Unfortunately it's no longer that much cheaper in those areas. One of my kids lives in Camas but works in Portland so I know the alternatives to living in Metro.

I do agree with you but in this short term emergency it matters little. It's a lot more important to get those nurses to work if there is a wave of sick on the way.
 

SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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Which is why I live in a poor semirural area with a 30-minute commute each way on a good day when I worked. My home and Coastal frontage property would cost 4-10X in the next county where I worked.
 

nsaspook

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Hello,

The corona virus seems to be spreading fast in the netherlands.
Today there are 155 new cases, the total comes on 959.
In Amsterdam, where I live, there where 8 cases yesterday and 31 cases today:
http://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/cfc2084c995c40e7ae72254029bf6251

Bertus
That is a wicked upward curve on that chart.

https://www.government.nl/topics/co...stop-spread-of-coronavirus-in-the-netherlands
On my point.
Primary schools, secondary schools, secondary vocational schools (MBO) and childcare centres will remain open as usual. There have been only few infections there and these environments are less international. Children and young people are not high-risk groups. Closing schools would have a major impact on society without contributing significantly to reducing the spread of coronavirus. Children who have symptoms of a cold should stay at home.
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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I'm a member of that club too but that doesn't change today's reality for younger people living in a world where an old house costs upwards of $350K in a bad neighborhood in Portland metro.
At least in Canada this is exactly why many young people have no families. The situation is actually really bad here. One can move somewhere cheaper, but access to services and quality of life become an issue. You cannot outrun the expenses anymore. The small town i live in has seen many divorces. But of course you can always say people expect too much
 

atferrari

Joined Jan 6, 2004
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At least in Canada this is exactly why many young people have no families. The situation is actually really bad here. One can move somewhere cheaper, but access to services and quality of life become an issue. You cannot outrun the expenses anymore. The small town i live in has seen many divorces. But of course you can always say people expect too much
Your last sentence says a lot.

As for societies, partnerships or marriages, failures do not account for what actually did not come out right but for the expectations not accomplished.

I see that wellness make us more and more greedy to the point of compromising our life because of what we wanted and expected.
 

djsfantasi

Joined Apr 11, 2010
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Your last sentence says a lot.

As for societies, partnerships or marriages, failures do not account for what actually did not come out right but for the expectations not accomplished.

I see that wellness make us more and more greedy to the point of compromising our life because of what we wanted and expected.
There are many reasons for the failure of a marriage, and many of these are incomprehensible. I hope you aren’t making a generalization, because victims of spousal abuse don’t deserve to be put into a pocket. Their marriage failed because of one or more types of abuse, that often culminated in physical abuse. The worst are cases of gaslighting where the abuser tells the victim and his friends that the victim abused the abuser - with no evidence other than the abuser’s word. In this case, suicide is the preferred solution of the victim.
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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They sent me home Th with a computer, it didn’t successfully auto complete a download of software so I had to go in today, No problem but I just hope they get it worked out Monday or I’ll be pissed if I have to go in again. Took VTO (Voluntary Time Off) this afternoon, the phones were dead this afternoon.

kv

Edit: Oh ya, and my new Title is Agent Kay on my Badge.

Cause they don’t use my middle initial ”V”

kv:cool:

Edit: Maybe I should start wearing a black suite :rolleyes:
 
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