Instead of blasting ivermectin and making fun of people turning to it, a protocol for taking it as a profilactic should be released. Such as what has been used in those trials.
People should be told what they can donat home for treatment/prevention.

This get the vaccine and get the boosters drive is not looking very good anymore.

And as it has been said it is not a vaccine as it does not prevent the disease and does not prevent transmission.

The vaccine is working just fine if you look at the raw numbers of who is sick and dying instead of bogus precentages designed to confuse from the pro and con sides of vaxx mandates. The vaccine is not going to reduce cases to zero but ivermectin won't either ovbiously and the vaccine will always be bettter than ivermectin in reducing sickness and death becase it does to some measure prevent the disease and reduce transmission in the majority of people vaccinated.

 

So, they are a lot like New Hampshire.
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Right, with the small difference being that the people of New Hampshire step up and make an effort to move the US back into a better direction instead of try to form some militant separatist anti-government militia. Otherwise, yes, the same.

 

Any poison, like ivermectin (a worm poison), will activate the immune system to various degrees and cause some type of an allergic reaction (all associated responses). Good luck to those taking it. The large pills from the Farm & Feed stores are cheaper and peanut butter flavored.

 

So, they are a lot like New Hampshire.
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Although it must be said that the concept of freedom is actually pretty deeply woven into fabric of American values. Our founding fathers seemed to belabor over the importance of the issue quite a bit anyway.

 

Oregon, Idaho and Montana have a pretty big separatists/anti-government community (militia) so, yes, parts are like a 3rd world country.

How does one come to that conclusion? What if anything does anti government have to do with being a third world country? My point was in response to Audio Guru who seems to think states can be labeled as countries. They can't and militias or anti government organizations have nothing to do with it.

Ron

 

How does one come to that conclusion? What if anything does anti government have to do with being a third world country? My point was in response to Audio Guru who seems to think states can be labeled as countries. They can't and militias or anti government organizations have nothing to do with it.

Ron

Because stable, modern, first-world countries don't have separatists & insurrectionists threatening their government.

 

On a side note, all of the earlier literature about ivermectin sounded pretty promising

Otherwise it does seems to be quite safe. In fact it's for that very reason that it's been on the WHO's official list of "vital" medicines, for years now actually.

Yes it is on the list of approved drugs, just like Hydroxychloroquine. Both are for treatment of the spread of malaria. They kill the mosquitoes that bite people with it in their blood streams. But malaria is caused by a parasite, as far as I know, where covid is caused by a virus. so just because both drugs, Ivermectin and Chloroquine, work for malaria, it seems like that is where things got mixed up and some think they both work on covid.

And while they may seem too work, on some people, there is no wide spread proof that they work at all. The people it seems to have worked for may have gotten better even if they didn't take it.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ivermectin+and+malaria

 

Yes it is on the list of approved drugs, just like Hydroxychloroquine. Both are for treatment of the spread of malaria. They kill the mosquitoes that bite people with it in their blood streams. But malaria is caused by a parasite, as far as I know, where covid is caused by a virus. so just because both drugs, Ivermectin and Chloroquine, work for malaria, it seems like that is where things got mixed up and some think they both work on covid.


And while they may seem too work, on some people, there is no wide spread proof that they work at all. The people it seems to have worked for may have gotten better even if they didn't take it.


https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ivermectin+and+malaria

Ivermectin is generally understood to disrupt the electrical signals within the muscular tissue of parasites, but beyond that not much is really known. What we DO know is that in numerous clinical trials at least it has proven itself to be a fairly useful covid medication.

The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro

Antiviral treatment of COVID-19

Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen

And again, contrary to what much of the media would have you believe, it is in fact QUITE safe. To be sure, patients with certain preexisting conditions should NOT take it. But otherwise, why not? A short two to four week regimen would almost certainly do a patient a lot more good than harm...

 

Ivermectin is generally understood to disrupt the electrical signals within the muscular tissue of parasites, but beyond that not much is really known. What we DO know is that in numerous clinical trials at least it has proven itself to be a fairly useful covid medication.

The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro

Antiviral treatment of COVID-19

Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen

And again, contrary to what much of the media would have you believe, it is in fact QUITE safe. To be sure, patients with certain preexisting conditions should NOT take it. But otherwise, why not? A short two to four week regimen would almost certainly do a patient a lot more good than harm...

I read your first reference. My question is where did you get your medical degree?

 

Ivermectin IS safe when used in the proper dosage and prescribed for the correct treatments. Not when used by those with no knowledge of correct usage and dosage. As shown by the number of people calling the Poison Hotline and crowding into ERs with problems from using it.

 

I read your first reference. My question is where did you get your medical degree?

What do you mean? I've been "grandfathered in" as a fellow of the academy my entire life! Not to mention that quite a few of my ancestors WERE of that particular "caste"...

I do seem to have a natural affinity for it anyway. Even as a young boy, maybe at the age of eleven or so, I saved this one guy from massive bleeding after a traffic accident. And that's just one of MANY instances where my instincts just naturally kicked into gear whenever I saw someone or something injured.

Which probably explains why I usually seem to be more concerned with how people are FEELING than "what's up" in their current social life.

"Oh the vacation was great? Wonderful! And how's that old knee doing these days? Well maybe try applying some heat to it and then give it a good massage."

Days later, I get a call that it's feeling better. So if I can be of any use to people as a healer then I shall continue to do so. That said, by all means please do consult with your doctor. Better yet, get as many opinions as possible!

 

I do seem to have a natural affinity for it anyway.

Oh my god, Timewarp!
Google: CDC visit March 6, 2020 "I have a natural ability"

 

T

What do you mean? I've been "grandfathered in" as a fellow of the academy my entire life! Not to mention that quite a few of my ancestors WERE of that particular "caste"...

I do seem to have a natural affinity for it anyway. Even as a young boy, maybe at the age of eleven or so, I saved this one guy from massive bleeding after a traffic accident. And that's just one of MANY instances where my instincts just naturally kicked into gear whenever I saw someone or something injured.

Which probably explains why I usually seem to be more concerned with how people are FEELING than "what's up" in their current social life.

"Oh the vacation was great? Wonderful! And how's that old knee doing these days? Well maybe try applying some heat to it and then give it a good massage."

Days later, I get a call that it's feeling better. So if I can be of any use to people as a healer then I shall continue to do so. That said, by all means please do consult with your doctor. Better yet, get as many opinions as possible!

Thank you for your reply. I now know better and understand your post. IMHO, your post is meaningless to me, so I apologize for interrupting you. Sorry.

 

Thank you for your reply. I now know better and understand your post. IMHO, your post is meaningless to me, so I apologize for interrupting you. Sorry.

Because...
Virology and immunology are about the same as first aid.

 

Drinking as a COVID-19 treatment? The US is not alone in looking for the magic COVID-19 cure.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ad-after-drinking-alcohol-to-cure-coronavirus

More than 700 people have died in Iran after ingesting toxic methanol, erroneously thinking it can cure the new coronavirus.

The national coroner’s authority said that alcohol poisoning killed 728 Iranians between February 20 and April 7. Last year there were only 66 deaths from alcohol poisoning, according to the report.

 

Drinking as a COVID-19 treatment? The US is not alone in looking for the magic COVID-19 cure.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ad-after-drinking-alcohol-to-cure-coronavirus

Methanol poisoning is pretty weird vs ethanol.
methanol attacks the nervous system - optic nerve first. The weird smell is the decomposition to formaldehyde. In theory, it could be auto-embalming if you could drink enough before you off-yourself!

 

https://wpln.org/post/tennessee-icus-full-of-vaccine-regret/

Tennessee’s ICUs Are Full Of Vaccine Refusal Regret

It’s a struggle for Joe Gammon to talk right now.

Lying in his ICU bed at Ascension Saint Thomas West, he uses a suction tube to clear his own throat. Even dislodging some phlegm has become a struggle.

“If I would have known six months ago that this could be possible, this would have been a no-brainer,” the 45-year-old father of six says after weeks in critical condition. “But I honestly didn’t think I was at any risk. That is the naive portion on my end.”

 

Thank you for your reply. I know better understand your post. IMHO, your post is meaningless to me, so I apologize for interrupting you. Sorry.

And that is most certainly your prerogative. But consider this. One of my great-great grandfathers was known as the "saddle-bag surgeon". Do you know what sort of formal training he received? None! Well that didn't stop him from building up an impressive practice and in the process earning himself much renown for being well-recognized health worker in the community. And all HE started with was a copy of Gray's Anatomy!

So go figure, some people trust a pieces of paper, others just want to see REAL results. And considering just how many people HAVE thanked me throughout the years for "doctorly" assistance, I can honestly (and indeed PROUDLY) say that I must have at least a modicum of qualification when it comes to assisting others in the healing arts.

I don't really expect anyone to take my word for it of course. I could be completely deluded for all you know. Take it with a grain of salt or not at all. But trust me, if you ever ARE in need of medical assistance you'd better HOPE someone like me is around! Because "bad doctors" are much more common than you might care to think...

 

One of my great-great grandfathers was known as the "saddle-bag surgeon".

That also applies to barbers, back in those earlier simpler days. But to claim that medical knowledge is hereditary? Sorry but I'd rather take my chances with someone with a diploma, not one with their medical knowledge from Ancestry.com. No offense meant, just my opinion.

 

And that is most certainly your prerogative. But consider this. One of my great-great grandfathers was known as the "saddle-bag surgeon". Do you know what sort of formal training he received? None! Well that didn't stop him from building up an impressive practice and in the process earning himself much renown for being well-recognized health worker in the community. And all HE started with was a copy of Gray's Anatomy!

So go figure, some people trust a pieces of paper, others just want to see REAL results. And considering just how many people HAVE thanked me throughout the years for "doctorly" assistance, I can honestly (and indeed PROUDLY) say that I must have at least a modicum of qualification when it comes to assisting others in the healing arts.

I don't really expect anyone to take my word for it of course. I could be completely deluded for all you know. Take it with a grain of salt or not at all. But trust me, if you ever ARE in need of medical assistance you'd better HOPE someone like me is around! Because "bad doctors" are much more common than you might care to think...

If he was working only off of e hand-drawn images in Gray's Anatomy, sketched from dissections of cadavers are nearly impossible to correlate to a blood-filled surgical field. Your ancestor sounds more like an evil menace to society - willing to take his training on live human subjects. I'm sure you have all kind of unconfirmed stories of his occasional "successes". The only thing you inherited is his willingness to try anything on a sick/injured person.