My GF’s family might be considered conservative. Right-wing family from South Boston. Southie.

This past week, her sister’s father-in-law died of Covid-19. Ten days from diagnosis to death. Her sister is a nurse and was shocked at the effect of COVID-19. Everyone in her family has been vaccinated in the past 24 hours. Without going into a lot of detail, hundreds if not thousands of people were exposed in this one case.

It’s what leads me to believe in draconian measures. There are dozens of people who should have been jailed before this happened. Second-degree manslaughter charges should have been brought and many people jailed. Including children. People and children I love but needs to have been isolated. Fortunately, my GF doesn’t read this forum.

 

Draconian measures are what happen when bad cases make bad law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/22/1009...ns-to-arrest-filipinos-who-refuse-vaccination

MANILA, Philippines — The Philippine president has threatened to order the arrest of Filipinos who refuse COVID-19 vaccination and told them to leave the country if they would not cooperate with efforts to end a public health emergency.

President Rodrigo Duterte, who is known for his public outbursts and brash rhetoric, said in televised remarks Monday night that he has become exasperated with people who refuse to get immunized amid a health crisis then help spread the coronavirus.

"Don't get me wrong. There is a crisis being faced in this country. There is a national emergency. If you don't want to get vaccinated, I'll have you arrested and I'll inject the vaccine in your butt," Duterte said.

Call me when jail is the cure for a world-wide medical emergency caused by a virus. Making people, who, in our option, make bad choices on vaccination into slaves (loss of freedom and liberty) is not the cure for some strange political leaning, stupidity, misinformation or fear.

I think they are wrong but I don't want them treated as criminals.
https://www.kptv.com/news/oregon-st...6-11ec-aecc-83189d4f3a3c.html?block_id=994645

SALEM, OR (KPTV) - A group of Oregon State Troopers and firefighters is suing Gov. Kate Brown over the vaccine mandate for state employees.

The Fraternal Order of Police, a firefighters group in Klamath Falls, and nine Oregon State Police are named as plaintiffs in the lawsuit. Brown and the state of Oregon are named as defendants.

 

As expected the case wave is moving north. Florida has cases dropping while the NE is gaining cases.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

• The country is averaging more than 1,500 deaths a day for the first time since March. Daily death totals have more than quintupled since the start of August, though they remain well below the peak levels from last winter.
• Growing outbreaks in the Midwest, Northeast and mid-Atlantic have largely offset declining case numbers in parts of the Deep South. Through Friday, Maine, South Dakota and Ohio had the country’s fastest rates of case growth.
• South Carolina is averaging more than 5,400 new cases a day and has the country’s highest rate of recent cases. Hospitalizations in that state are near peak levels from last winter.
• Cases have started to decline in Florida, but more than 15,000 coronavirus patients are hospitalized, the highest rate in the country.
• Reports of new cases appear to be leveling off in Washington and Oregon, both of which have set records in recent weeks. Case rates in the Pacific Northwest remain well below those seen in the South.

 

They really will be moving north after the annual GA - FL game yesterday. HUGE Covid Fest! Bringing it back to GA!

 

They really will be moving north after the annual GA - FL game yesterday. HUGE Covid Fest! Bringing it back to GA!

I thought Georgia (Bulldogs) played and beat Clemson (Tigers) yesterday? The game I watched ended with Georgia 10 and Clemson 3 and the pregame ratings had Georgia #5 and Clemson #3. Bama gave Miami a spanking in GA. if I recall. The SEC is one hell of a tough conference.

Ron

 

A strange story about Horse Dewormer just got stranger.
https://fox59.com/news/gunshot-vict...ed-with-horse-dewormer-overdoses-doctor-says/

Oklahoma hospital system denies claim of gunshot victims left to wait as staff overwhelmed with horse dewormer overdoses

 

It is funny (or not) that in places where Big Pharma does not have a stranglehold on the mainstream media ivermectin is considered a good treatment for Covid-19, but in some places like Europe and the U.S. there is no post-infection treatment available and people who did not get the injections are left to die. I wonder what's going on?

 

GA - FL game

Ooops... Not til Oct. 30 this year. But with the heavy Covid infections in FL, their fans will be spreading it everywhere they go.

 

Ooops... Not til Oct. 30 this year. But with the heavy Covid infections in FL, their fans will be spreading it everywhere they go.

Wife (She Who Must Be Obeyed) strongly agrees with your concerns.

Ron

 

It is funny (or not) that in places where Big Pharma does not have a stranglehold on the mainstream media ivermectin is considered a good treatment for Covid-19, but in some places like Europe and the U.S. there is no post-infection treatment available and people who did not get the injections are left to die. I wonder what's going on?

It's all about the money, unfortunately. Powerful biotech companies are currently pouring BILLIONS into their media campaigns. At this point they have basically "bought out" the networks. On top of that, they have been pushing very hard to have everything else labeled "misinformation" which of course only strengthens their position even further.

And it's not just the media either. Practically the entire health industry itself has been compromised. Bill Gates for example has spent over 1,500,000,000 USD on "donations" to the World Health Organization alone. Almost every "medical expert" that you see in the news these days ALSO just so happen to be recipients of such "generous" contributions. So of course they are going to say nothing good about ivermectin. The makers of THAT pharmacutical couldn't possibly compete!

It's like Abe Lincoln said though.

You can fool SOME of the people ALL of the time, and ALL of the people SOME of the time, but you cannot fool ALL of the people ALL of the time.

By and by people will eventually see the light and realize the truth for themselves. And of course that is already happening. Just ask anyone and everyone that you meet what they really think. Most people are actually pretty skeptical about it...

 

Here in the states, the Food and Drug Administration approves and regulates drugs. Approval is limited to specific uses therefore Doctors are not legally allowed to supply a specific drug for anything other than it's FDA approved uses. Some of those same drugs regulated for human use, and available by prescription only, are available "over the counter" for animal use. Those veterinarian drugs are not always manufactured to the same standards as human use drugs. That said, my ole veterinarian friend Dr. Culpepper used to treat his own children with veterinarian drugs. Unfortunately, the great unwashed masses cannot differentiate between doses for horses and humans.

 

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/...ectin&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=&Search=Search

There is post-infection treatment in the US.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safe...post-exposure-prophylaxis-prevention-covid-19
https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/therapeutics-distribution

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253713523.html

Regeneron’s antibody cocktail is meant to treat mild or moderate COVID-19 within 10 days of a person’s first symptom. Preliminary research shows it helped reduce the risk of hospitalization and death by 70%, according to the Washington Post.

The sooner that high-risk people get the treatment after testing positive, the better, said Dr. Kenneth Scheppke, the state EMS medical director for the Florida Department of Health and the chief medical officer for the Florida Division of Emergency Management.

 

Here in the states, the Food and Drug Administration approves and regulates drugs. Approval is limited to specific uses therefore Doctors are not legally allowed to supply a specific drug for anything other than it's FDA approved uses. Some of those same drugs regulated for human use, and available by prescription only, are available "over the counter" for animal use. Those veterinarian drugs are not always manufactured to the same standards as human use drugs. That said, my ole veterinarian friend Dr. Culpepper used to treat his own children with veterinarian drugs. Unfortunately, the great unwashed masses cannot differentiate between doses for horses and humans.

The FDA has approved a vaccine that has only been in clinical trials for about a year and a half. Well the average is more like 12. OK maybe it was pushed through simply because it hasn't as of yet seemed to cause ANY serious side effects? Alas...no. (See here as well.) Worse still, YOU CAN'T EVEN SUE ANYONE in the event that something DOES go wrong.

So as far as I am concerned it is still a very experimental technology. It's not technically a vaccine anyway. It's an MRNA treatment and moreover the "delivery systems" are not even regulated. Meaning they can deliver that stuff into the body however they wish, with little oversight.

On a side note, all of the earlier literature about ivermectin sounded pretty promising. Now for some reason the WHO doesn't want anyone taking it, even though it's been properly vetted for decades. But the Pfizer vaccine? That one got a stamp of approval in spite of so many unanswered questions. It just doesn't make sense...

 

So as far as I am concerned it is still a very experimental technology. It's not technically a vaccine anyway. It's an MRNA treatment and moreover the "delivery systems" are not even regulated. Meaning how they deliver that stuff to the body however they wish, with little oversight.

There are a couple of vaccines in the market (not sure in the US, though) that were developed using traditional techniques. That is, using a weakened version of the virus itself. Just like the rabies vaccine.

 

There are a couple of vaccines in the market (not sure in the US, though) that were developed using traditional techniques. That is, using a weakened version of the virus itself. Just like the rabies vaccine.

That is true. But the majority of them at least are of the MRNA-based variety. Including the one approved by the FDA of course.

 

So you are saying that in the US the state of Oregon is an uncivilized country? You do understand that in the US each state has, to some degree state rule don't you? You have no clue apparently how government works below the Canadian border. Oregon is not an uncivilized country but rather a state within the United States which is a country but certainly not an uncivilized country. Simply put the US does not have a parliamentary democracy as Canada does. Things work differently under the US form of government.

Ron

Oregon, Idaho and Montana have a pretty big separatists/anti-government community (militia) so, yes, parts are like a 3rd world country.

 

Instead of blasting ivermectin and making fun of people turning to it, a protocol for taking it as a profilactic should be released. Such as what has been used in those trials.
People should be told what they can donat home for treatment/prevention.

This get the vaccine and get the boosters drive is not looking very good anymore.

And as it has been said it is not a vaccine as it does not prevent the disease and does not prevent transmission.

 

And as it has been said it is not a vaccine as it does not prevent the disease and does not prevent transmission.

But it's said (without solid proof from a big enough study, though) that if it's taken profilactically it helps prevent the immune system from reacting with the severity that it does when it gets infected with CV-19. I'm on the fence on this one... especially when one considers that the immune system's reaction to CV-19 is similar to when it fights a snake's venom.

 

But it's said (without solid proof, though) that if it's taken profilactically it helps prevent the immune system from reacting with the severity that it does when it gets infected with CV-19. I'm on the fence on this one... especially when one considers that the immune system's reaction to CV-19 is similar to when it fights a snake's venom.

To be fair, ivermectin isn't necessarily so effective against active (ie raging) CV-19 infections. Which is to say that it appears to work best when administered by the earliest stages of onset. Any later and it's kind of hit and miss...

Otherwise it does seems to be quite safe. In fact it's for that very reason that it's been on the WHO's official list of "vital" medicines, for years now actually.

 

Oregon, Idaho and Montana have a pretty big separatists/anti-government community (militia) so, yes, parts are like a 3rd world country.

So, they are a lot like New Hampshire.