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nsaspook

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nsaspook

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/30/hawaii-coronavirus-cautionary-tale-404564
Hawaii’s control of the coronavirus has swiftly unraveled this summer, transforming what was the nation’s best-performing state into one of the worst.

Just two months ago, the island state had the fewest cases per capita in the country at less than two dozen per day. Democratic Gov. David Ige was praised for acting early to close Hawaii’s borders and impose strict quarantines, a painful economic sacrifice for a state heavily dependent on tourism.
The new shutdown orders will mean more economic pain in a state with one of the highest unemployment rates at 13 percent. The state’s reopening date for tourism has been pushed back yet again, and the hard-hit business community is bracing for the possibility of even wider shutdowns.

And as elsewhere in the United States, a deep racial disparity has emerged in Hawaii’s outbreak. Pacific Islanders account for 30 percent of infections while they make up just 4 percent of the state’s population.
The Coronavirus never sleeps.
 
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And as elsewhere in the United States, a deep racial disparity has emerged in Hawaii’s outbreak. Pacific Islanders account for 30 percent of infections while they make up just 4 percent of the state’s population.
Pacific Islanders and others from Pacific regions (like the Phillipines) account for about 85% of the tuberculosis deaths in Hawaii (lots of it) but no one talks about it. Somebody cherry picking again.

https://health.hawaii.gov/tb/data-statistics/#:~:text=The State of Hawaii to,in the nation that year.
 
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Dealing with autistic teen mood changes can be a life draining experience. If they went along to get some peace while she was out then, they get a big pass in my book.
I must take exception. I have a special needs kid about her age. If I need respite, I am not going to send him off around the world for a year to be manipulated by strangers. Also, if she is autistic, constantly and repeatedly putting her on overload can't be good. It makes her parents look even worse. IMHO.
 

nsaspook

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I must take exception. I have a special needs kid about her age. If I need respite, I am not going to send him off around the world for a year to be manipulated by strangers. Also, if she is autistic, constantly and repeatedly putting her on overload can't be good. It makes her parents look even worse. IMHO.
Not saying it was right, just understandable.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50901789
Greta Thunberg's father has said he thought it was "a bad idea" for his daughter to take to the "front line" of the battle against climate change.

Millions of people have been inspired to join the 16-year-old in raising awareness of environmental issues.

But Svante Thunberg told the BBC he was "not supportive" of his daughter skipping school for the climate strike.

Mr Thunberg said Greta was much happier since becoming an activist - but that he worries about the "hate" she faces.
Speaking to Husain as part of the show, Mr Thunberg said his daughter had struggled with depression for "three or four years" before she began her school strike.

"She stopped talking... she stopped going to school," he said.

He added that it was the "ultimate nightmare for a parent" when Greta began refusing to eat.
 

Berzerker

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Might want to be careful there shortbus (?)
Every time I post my ----> "opinion" <---- on how or who started it, it gets deleted.
Brzrkr
 

nsaspook

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-03/coronavirus-lockdown-protest-facebook-arrest/12624318
The video has sparked debate about Victoria's use of emergency powers, with the president of the Australian Human Rights Commission expressing serious concerns about the arrest.
Commissioner Rosalind Croucher said she was dismayed by the handling of the situation and warned that human rights must be protected — even more so during a crisis such as the coronavirus pandemic.
Professor Croucher said that while measures to curb the spread of COVID-19 were required, they must be managed appropriately and be proportionate to the risk posed to the community.
 

cmartinez

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Two cousins of the wife of a very close friend of mine have died from CV19 complications in the last week, while the uncle of another friend is in hospital intubated to a respirator in the ICU, and fighting for his life... and the prognosis doesn't look good... he's getting worse, and not better, by the day...

Sad times indeed...
 

ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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hi,

I have had many vaccinations in my long life time, covering many of the viruses etc, which we are exposed to every day, I make sure that I get an annual Flu jab every year

I am aware of the benefits of the current vaccines and if a certified vaccine for Covid becomes available I plan to get vaccinated. I did look into becoming a volunteer into a Covid research project, unfortunately the medication I have to take prevents me from taking part.

In the meantime if I have to wear a mask for a couple of hours everyday, which will give me and others some level of protection, I will do so willing.
It is better than the alternative of being hospitalised and wearing a respirator for the last 3 weeks of my life, or even worse infecting and callously killing another human.

Self isolating/detention is not a big deal if it helps prevent other people becoming hospitalised with Covid.

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jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
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hi,
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In the meantime if I have to wear a mask for a couple of hours everyday, which will give me and others some level of protection, I will do so willing.
Evidence for that?
It is better than the alternative of being hospitalized and wearing a respirator for the last 3 weeks of my life, or even worse infecting and callously killing another human.
Definitely not a binary decision. The vast majority of people infected are never hospitalized. Considering that the prevalence of immunity far exceeds either the prevalence of clinical illness or death rate, it is extremely unlikely that your infection will kill someone else. Extending that logic, you would never drive a car for fear of being involved in an accident and killing someone.
Self isolating/detention is not a big deal if it helps prevent other people becoming hospitalised with Covid.
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Does it?

I have never seen any intervention in medicine that is justifiable by a one-tailed assessment.* All interventions have downsides. For some, there is an upside, and that upside outweighs the downside. Sometimes the difference is so obvious that the intervention is accepted with little or no debate. Other interventions may be accepted, but as there is no clear way to put a relative value on upside versus downside, there is often vigorous debate about what should be accepted or not.

*Not that that hasn't been done on occasion with some notoriously bad outcomes.
 

shortbus

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Herd Immunity? Who wants to volunteer? -

"Currently, the U.S. has a case fatality rate of about 3%, based on 187,000 deaths and 6.2 million infections; however, the infection fatality rate is likely lower since most asymptomatic infections probably aren't detected. The CDC uses 0.65% in its pandemic planning scenarios.


Using the WHO (65%) and CDC (0.65%) figures, 213 million people in the U.S. would need to be infected to achieve herd immunity, leaving 1,385,800 Americans dead." From - https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88401
 

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