Same old line again. But it has been done for other things. There are laws now in effect because people thought they should be, to protect people from themselves and others. But not when it comes to this.

Yes, it's the same old line because it's the correct line.
Sure, declare Federal or State Martial Law every flu season like the Battle of Blair Mountain. This is a public health crisis, not a state or national insurrection. States have exceptional 'Police Powers' to enforce quarantines or even vaccinate individuals against their will under current law and the people within those states have the right to demand local and effective action during a public health crisis.

 

How about protection of individuals and property during riots? Part of the problem is states picking and choosing when and for what they want to protect the public.

What if "systemic racism" is declared a health emergency. (https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...e-implicit-bias-training-for-state-employees/). There is nothing in law that prevents her from declaring the same "training" for everyone. Maybe in order to get a driver's license or register to vote, one would have to show successful completion of such training. Can the same police powers, including incarceration, be applied to those who disagree?

The problem is one of checks and balances. There are very few checks on the exercise of emergency powers by elected officials. Recourse for injustices is years or decades later and is unlikely at best. FDR's unjust incarceration of Americans of Japanese/Asian (and to a lesser degree German and Italian) ancestry in WWII has yet to be remediated. By that, I mean those affected "made whole." It took 30 years after the war (1976) for President Ford to even apologize for those injustices, but there was no compensation. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066) I had a classmate in high school who was born in one of those camps. She was not allowed by her parents to talk with me.

 

Unfortunately, some governors chose to abuse the CARES act and monetize inflated positivity rates

There you go again, while giving no proof that it really happened.

Finally found where your getting the idea this was happening!

The link that tells where the idea came from - https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

 

Who will die?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02483-2

“COVID-19 is not just hazardous for elderly people, it is extremely dangerous for people in their mid-fifties, sixties and seventies,” says Andrew Levin, an economist at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, who has estimated that getting COVID-19 is more than 50 times more likely to be fatal for a 60-year-old than is driving a car.

But “age cannot explain everything”, says Henrik Salje, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at the University of Cambridge, UK. Gender is also a strong risk factor, with men almost twice more likely to die from the coronavirus than women. And differences between countries in the fatality estimates for older age groups suggest that the risk of dying from coronavirus is also linked to underlying health conditions, the capacity of health-care systems, and whether the virus has spread among people living in elderly-care facilities.

But a big factor in the different death rates reported between countries seems to be whether the virus spread in nursing homes or elderly-care facilities, says Salje.

In these places, people in fragile health live in close-knit environments where the virus can spread rapidly. When the English study took into account care-home deaths, the IFR in people aged 75 or older jumped from 11.6% to 18.7%. Salje estimates that the IFR for Canada, where some 85% of deaths occurred in nursing homes, would be significantly higher than that for Singapore, where nursing homes accounted for only 8% of deaths.

 

Hey everyone, just got here. What did I miss?

 

The apocalypse, according to some.

 

Hey everyone, just got here. What did I miss?

Hawaii Is No Longer Safe From Covid-19

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020...-in-hawaii-honolulu-mayor-kirk-caldwell-says/

 

The apocalypse, according to some.

Oh no! Well guys it's been a good chat but I'm headed back to the bunker now.

 

Oh no! Well guys it's been a good chat but I'm headed back to the bunker now.

Make sure you've got plenty of booze and ice before you dig yourself back in...

 

Oh no! Well guys it's been a good chat but I'm headed back to the bunker now.

I'm headed to the beach and the local native casino next week with the family.
https://stateparks.oregon.gov/index.cfm?do=park.profile&parkId=158
The bunker is for the winter.

 

Of course I was only joking about the bunker.. it's not a physical thing but a mental bunker. I have pretty much shut out noise of the world. I quit Facebook months ago; it had devolved into something that was just bringing me down. And I quit "the news" a few years before that. Apart from this forum and couple of others, I dont talk to or hear from anyone except through face-to-face conversation. I'm a happier person now for it. I have intentionally avoided this thread until now as I assumed it probably mirrored what was going on at Facebook last I checked (battle royales of politically tainted oppositional misinformation).

I occasionally peek my head out, and when I do, there's a few questions I ask, just to make sure I don't need to recalculate my estimation of truth. I've never posed them to a group this large. I'm sure if I read back 181 pages I could answer my own question, but I ain't gonna.

Has anyone here been hospitalized with Covid? Does anyone here personally know anyone who has died from it? Know someone who personally knows someone who died from it?

 

Yes, our adult son with Asperger's quit his job due to several recent deaths of work associates and not wanting to bring it home to us. I, in particular, am very much in the "at risk" category.

 

Has anyone here been hospitalized with Covid? Does anyone here personally know anyone who has died from it? Know someone who personally knows someone who died from it?

Yes, I know of several cases firsthand.. one of them was the uncle of a very close friend of mine... he was #2 in my state. This thing is real, and it's not going to go away until an effective vaccine is deployed.

 

Yes, I know of several cases firsthand.. one of them waa the uncle of a very close friend of mine... he was #2 in my state. This thing is real, and it's not going to go away until an effective vaccine is deployed.

I asked about:
1. Hospitalizations of AAC members (I would say deaths, but I think those answers would be hard to come by)
2. Deaths of acquaintanes of AAC members.

It's hard to discern whether or not that's what you're addressing. I too, know several confirmed "cases." None were worse than the flu. Most were milder.

 

I dont talk to or hear from anyone except through face-to-face conversation.

Where have you been hiding?
People don't have face-to-face conversation anymore. It's mask-to-mask!

 

I asked about:
1. Hospitalizations of AAC members (I would say deaths, but I think those answers would be hard to come by)
2. Deaths of acquaintanes of AAC members.

It's hard to discern whether or not that's what you're addressing. I too, know several confirmed "cases." None were worse than the flu. Most were milder.

I have had a dozen friends and family die from COVID19. I read the opinions of several AAC members that are inconsistent with my personal experience. I have to ask why these people are not empathetic to the victims of the pandemic Why they personally refuse to acknowledge what I see. If you had12 friends and family die suddenly, would you still refute what you saw?

 

The only face to face these days is done by videoconferencing from home.

 

I asked about:
1. Hospitalizations of AAC members (I would say deaths, but I think those answers would be hard to come by)
2. Deaths of acquaintanes of AAC members.

I guess my answer covers #2 ...

 

Yes, our adult son with Asperger's quit his job due to several recent deaths of work associates and not wanting to bring it home to us. I, in particular, am very much in the "at risk" category.

Does your son work at a nursing home?

EDIT: I just realized the above question probably has a good chance of coming across as a sarcastic remark. That's not how I intended it. Honest question. And I shouldn't have specified nursing home. Any medical facility.

 

On a loosely related note, here's interesting news regarding viruses:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/hiv-immune-system-elite-controllers

A second person, EC1, had just one functional copy of HIV in more than 1 billion blood cells analyzed. And that copy of HIV was stuck in what is essentially a genetic supermax prison. That genetic lockup may be key to being able to naturally control the virus.