This isn't over until an effective vaccine is released

It will never be over. Like the Flu, it will continue to mutate and newer and better vaccines will have to be continually made and revised to battle it. Such is our Brave New World...

 

This isn't over until an effective vaccine is released

That's really about it.

Ron

 

This isn't over until an effective vaccine is released

An effective vaccine gets us to herd immunity without excess deaths. The virus is so contagious, with so far stable immunity after infection it will ultimately move from pandemic to endemic without a vaccine.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-clues-successful-immune-response-cells.html

 

An effective vaccine gets us to herd immunity without excess deaths. The virus is so contagious, with so far stable immunity after infection it will ultimately move from pandemic to endemic without a vaccine.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-clues-successful-immune-response-cells.html

I hope you're right about that... let's keep our fingers crossed.

 

And just to keep things interesting... The Black Death (bubonic plague) reared it's head in California for the first time in five years now. Those pesky diseases just won't stay away.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...man-case-bubonic-plague-5-years-what-n1237306

 

And just to keep things interesting... The Black Death (bubonic plague) reared it's head in California for the first time in five years now. Those pesky diseases just won't stay away.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...man-case-bubonic-plague-5-years-what-n1237306

I might need a booster for the vaccines military guys received in the 70's.
https://jetinfectors.com/2017/09/29/vietnam-era-recruits-exposed-to-experimental-vaccinations/

 

And just to keep things interesting... The Black Death (bubonic plague) reared it's head in California for the first time in five years now. Those pesky diseases just won't stay away.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...man-case-bubonic-plague-5-years-what-n1237306

I had to love this quote:
"“Bubonic plague in the U.S. is not the same scenario as the historical Black Death, and we do not need to be afraid of it in the same way,” Susan Jones, a professor of ecology, evolution and behavior at the University of Minnesota College of Biological Sciences, said".
So we should be afraid how? Be afraid in a different way? Just be afraid, be very afraid.

I might need a booster for the vaccines military guys received in the 70's.
https://jetinfectors.com/2017/09/29/vietnam-era-recruits-exposed-to-experimental-vaccinations/

Marines 69 to 78 and no clue what they gave us. There is also a theory that the air guns used for injections helped spread Hep C but nothing to really support that. The VA however is real big on Hep C testing of veterans. Go figure?

Ron

 

I might need a booster for the vaccines military guys received in the 70's.
https://jetinfectors.com/2017/09/29/vietnam-era-recruits-exposed-to-experimental-vaccinations/

While working in Youth Corrections 20 years back I was hit with everything they had back then, I’m sure I’m good to go, no need of a booster.

I forgot how many stabs they gave me. I didn’t know they had a booster for bubonic Plague ?

kv

 

I had to love this quote:
"“Bubonic plague in the U.S. is not the same scenario as the historical Black Death, and we do not need to be afraid of it in the same way,” Susan Jones, a professor of ecology, evolution and behavior at the University of Minnesota College of Biological Sciences, said".
So we should be afraid how? Be afraid in a different way? Just be afraid, be very afraid.



Marines 69 to 78 and no clue what they gave us. There is also a theory that the air guns used for injections helped spread Hep C but nothing to really support that. The VA however is real big on Hep C testing of veterans. Go figure?

Ron

https://jetinfectors.com/2018/08/20...tors-as-possible-risk-factor-for-hepatitis-c/

I hated the air-gun gauntlet.
https://videos.files.wordpress.com/dLvd6vjz/gateway-to-the-air-force-basic-training-1988_dvd.mp4

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...0200821-amrmeeuhfbcnld5bic2mqia6be-story.html

The saliva test at the heart of the strategy — which students must undergo twice a week — received an Emergency Use Authorization from the federal government Wednesday and could be a game changer in the fight against COVID-19, Illinois officials have said.
Nigel Goldenfeld, a physics professor who’s helped Illinois with modeling, said his calculations show that twice-weekly testing can help contain the pandemic on campus. The saliva tests produce results within two to six hours, which can help stop asymptomatic spread among students.
...
Burke said the saliva tests have outstanding accuracy when compared with nasal swab tests and are just as able to detect the virus.
“We also have a very, very low false positive rate,” he said. “We are able to show that it’s extremely rare that our test would say you are positive and you aren’t actually positive.”

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...0200821-amrmeeuhfbcnld5bic2mqia6be-story.html

I really do not put much stock in any of this testing. The Governor of Ohio tested Positive and using a different test a few hours later tested Negative. About all I see ios a bunch of BS numbers to keep the public, oh wait, back to scared and compliant.

Ron

 

I really do not put much stock in any of this testing. The Governor of Ohio tested Positive and using a different test a few hours later tested Negative. About all I see ios a bunch of BS numbers to keep the public, oh wait, back to scared and compliant.

Ron

I believe that good information is power. You're correct that too many BS numbers are being used to make decisions.

For me it depends on what the tests are for. Some higher amount of false positives at the campus when used as a fast twice weekly admission filter would be OK if that error factor is known and used to make good decisions. What's more important for these types of screening applications is to have very low false negatives of asymptomatic carriers.

 

I believe that good information is power. You're correct that too many BS numbers are being used to make decisions.

For me it depends on what the tests are for. Some higher amount of false positives at the campus when used as a fast twice weekly admission filter would be OK if that error factor is known and used to make good decisions. What's more important for these types of screening applications is to have very low false negatives of asymptomatic carriers.

Agreed!

Ron

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/sci...infected-coronavirus-researchers-say-n1237840

A man in Hong Kong has become the first confirmed patient to be infected with the coronavirus a second time, according to researchers at the University of Hong Kong.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/sci...infected-coronavirus-researchers-say-n1237840

Most importantly.

1) Second infection was asymptomatic. While immunity was not enough to block reinfection, it protected the person from disease. (2/n)

 

An important distinction for sure.

 

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/24/...b-machine-autonomous-covid-19-test-brain-navi

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29729892/source-all-77-nfl-positive-tests-return-negative


https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-teams-...itive-coronavirus-test-results-140204758.html

A major issue with a New Jersey lab processing coronavirus test results for the NFL was revealed on Sunday after retesting was done on the previously reported 77 positive results. It now appears that all were false positives after each of the 77 people were retested and received a negative result, according to multiple reports.

 

An effective vaccine gets us to herd immunity without excess deaths. The virus is so contagious, with so far stable immunity after infection it will ultimately move from pandemic to endemic without a vaccine.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-clues-successful-immune-response-cells.html

If there is such a thing as herd immunity. The first cases of reinfection have been reported. Unlike other viruses, this one looks as if it doesn’t confer immunity after infection.

 

Most importantly.

1) Second infection was asymptomatic. While immunity was not enough to block reinfection, it protected the person from disease. (2/n)

1) Isn't a second asymptomatic infection almost indistinguishable from a booster shot for, say, typhoid fever? I remember my "booster" when I moved to Baltimore in 1962. It was nowhere nearly as benign as a booster for tetanus. Not typhoid fever, but I was plenty sick.

2) How did they define the difference between "colonization" and infection? (Colonization is not usually applied to viruses since they are not free-living, but surely the analogy should apply.)