Cheap foul line detector needed.

Bernard

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I've changed my mind & believe the laser would be suitable. Alignment is both hard & easy
Easy because the beam can be seen , but it is very narrow. With a small conical reflector
on receiver, alignment might be easier . I'll try it out Monday along with decoder consisting of
laser, photo transistor & 555 or Cd-S cell, 555 IC 4 resistors & 2 caps.

Made a quick check with laser, Cd-S cell, 1 uF C shunted with 100K R & V meter. looks good.
 
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Bernard

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Tried out laser, Electronic Goldmine, G19031, with Cd-S ( LDR ) cell, sim. to EG G19038, with several layers of red film as a filter, with a mirror to give a range of 4' X2 or 8'. If LDR can be kept over 100 k from ambient light, then it should work. With laser shining on LDR, 555-2 should be above 2.5 V. When blocked C1 will discharge
thru R2, if short will not fall below 1.7 V , or with a foot will fall below 1.7 V triggering 555. R2 @ 47k was about right for bowling ball to pass but tripped on simulated foot. Output either LED or active buzzer or both. Foul Detecter 00000.jpg
 

Bernard

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More complicated but maybe more reliable would be modulated IR. Why reinstall the foul line detector ?
Only thing left of foul det. in my bowling lanes is the reflectors.
 

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candlepinman

Joined Mar 2, 2018
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More complicated but maybe more reliable would be modulated IR. Why reinstall the foul line detector ?
Only thing left of foul det. in my bowling lanes is the reflectors.
Because my boss "my female cousin" wants to try if I can get them to work; she might be thinking of bringing the foul line back, why, I do not know that because most bowling centers in Nova Scotia do not use them any more. And that fact that if they where back a lot of the older bowlers would be a hassle because a lot of them do step over the foul lines; that's because I have observed a lot of bowlers don't care anymore.
 

Bernard

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Can you get + 5V power to the circuits ? Do you have a source for parts ?
Do you want to try for a modulated IR system ? I noted that my lanes were well illuminated with a complete line of fluorescent lights near the start line.. How wide are the lanes ?
I'm tied up until late next week
 
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candlepinman

Joined Mar 2, 2018
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Can you get + 5V power to the circuits ? Do you have a source for parts ?
Do you want to try for a modulated IR system ? I noted that my lanes were well illuminated with a complete line of fluorescent lights near the start line.. How wide are the lanes ?
I'm tied up until late next week
Yes I do have a wealth of parts from Allied electronics, Mouser, and Digi-key.
Our lanes also have fluorescent lamps and cosmic laser lights.
I believe the lanes are a little over 3 feet.
 

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candlepinman

Joined Mar 2, 2018
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Bernard said: I'm tied up until late next week.
Bernard, are you into BDSM?
That is something that I do not get to do, and not to sure what it really means; although I consider my self 100 percent openly gay, the town that I live in is not; and a lot of guys here are still in the closet..
 

Bernard

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For some interesting reading 'till next week, try at top of page in line with Reply to Thread is Search Fopums, put in box Posted by Member: deuce01.
A beam break project from long long ago.
Really must close now.
 

Bernard

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I tried to recreate the beam break from post " Help with simple beam switch " by deuce01, but not a peep from Rx. Simple seems to have fallen to the wayside. Might next try a module like OPL561-OC with single modulation.- If you are still interested.
 

Bernard

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Maybe this will work. With similar parts detection was reliable at 10 ft. Tx IR LED is no part number, CAT #
ILED-13 from All Electronics, 940 nm, 60 ma continuous, 1A pk., 5 mm., 16 deg. From Digi-Key a match to
OPL550-OCA is SFH4545, 10 deg. or TSAL6100 but are not 5 mm packages.The mounting is as shown in post by ducey01. I found a shorter focal length plastic tens at Ace Hardware 3 cm dia., 5 mm fl. but not tried yet. At 5 v, buzzer might not be loud enough but power availability has not ben established.
A red multi faceted reflector was tried with boor results, but a piece of shiny beer can worked as a first surface mirror for testing.Foul Detecter 2 00000.jpg
 
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RichardO

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A red multi faceted reflector was tried with boor results, but a piece of shiny beer can worked as a first surface mirror for testing.View attachment 149761
That is odd. I thought I had used bicycle reflectors in the past. All I can think is that the plastic in the reflector does not pass IR very well. If that is the case then white retro-reflecting tape would be my choice.

I keep meaning to ask if a reflector is still in place, leftover from the original foul line detector.


p.s. My first surface mirrors of choice are hard drive platters. :D
 

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candlepinman

Joined Mar 2, 2018
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Maybe this will work. With similar parts detection was reliable at 10 ft. Tx IR LED is no part number, CAT #
ILED-13 from All Electronics, 940 nm, 60 ma continuous, 1A pk., 5 mm., 16 deg. From Digi-Key a match to
OPL550-OCA is SFH4545, 10 deg. or TSAL6100 but are not 5 mm packages.The mounting is as shown in post by ducey01. I found a shorter focal length plastic tens at Ace Hardware 3 cm dia., 5 mm fl. but not tried yet. At 5 v, buzzer might not be loud enough but rower availability has not ben established.
A red multi faceted reflector was tried with boor results, but a piece of shiny beer can worked as a first surface mirror for testing.View attachment 149761
I was able to remove the old blue painted covers; that used to house the old foul line and the signal and power line were removed; but I can run some new ones down under the ball return since there is lots of spacing under the gutter side.
 

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candlepinman

Joined Mar 2, 2018
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That is odd. I thought I had used bicycle reflectors in the past. All I can think is that the plastic in the reflector does not pass IR very well. If that is the case then white retro-reflecting tape would be my choice.

I keep meaning to ask if a reflector is still in place, leftover from the original foul line detector.


p.s. My first surface mirrors of choice are hard drive platters. :D
NO the all of the old stuff has been removed on both sides...
 
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