Gasoline uses benzene snd toluene as anti-knock octane boosters. Not exactly skin friendly.

Neither is the sun.

 

Looks like you have most of this already figured out, and the fact that you're taking your daughter on this project will be something she can look back on in her memories. More fathers should do stuff like this, in today's world it is a welcome project....

I've always been a few decades behind the times. But, your comments reflect more on her than they do on me. I was really expecting this to be a project I do more for her than with her. I did expect her to help out with some things but I expected it to be an issue I would have have to force. I continue to be amazed at the degree to which she has involved herself. She will not let me work on it alone. This is totally out of character for her and I am overjoyed to see her express a genuine interest in something.

I told her I will get her something nicer when she graduates and I'll take this old fossil off her hands (and make it into a bada** street truck for myself) but as you indicated, she will have a lot of memories (and work) wrapped up in it and I won't be surprised if she doesn't want to give it up for an "upgrade."

 

overjoyed to see her express a genuine interest in something.

She may even find a career she will enjoy. There are more and more women doing trades that were in the past only men allowed in. You should be proud of her efforts, and it seems like you are!

 

She may even find a career she will enjoy. There are more and more women doing trades that were in the past only men allowed in. You should be proud of her efforts, and it seems like you are!

Absolutely! I don't know how to convey my thoughts without getting too political, but to give hint, I think the recent Women's National Soccer Team drama was a bunch of nonsense. That said, as an American father of 3 daughters I am pleased that virtually all of the opportunities available to other people's sons are also available to my daughters. And I would rather see them go into something that they're actually interested in, even if it's not considered a glorious profession by the masses, than to see them chain themselves to a grindstone simply because it pays more or because that's what's society expects of them.

On top of that I think that it could actually prove to be a higher paying option than many white collar jobs as more and more kids are brainwashed into thinking they must have a degree and once they have it they're too good to get dirty hands. This creates a vacuum of talent in the trades and increases demand along with pay.

 

@strantor I also tried to keep politics from my post. I'm so glad I resisted the "guidance counselors" when I was in school, and went with my gut. You and your daughter should both be proud!.

 

Absolutely! I don't know how to convey my thoughts without getting too political, but to give hint, I think the recent Women's National Soccer Team drama was a bunch of nonsense.

I'd love to hear more on this.

Do you think I should also be hoping that my grand-daughters, who perform to a higher level than their male counter-parts, make more money for theor organizations than their male counter parts should earn just $0.68 for each dollar earned by their male counter parts?

 

I'd love to hear more on this.

Do you think I should also be hoping that my grand-daughters, who perform to a higher level than their male counter-parts, make more money for theor organizations than their male counter parts should earn just $0.68 for each dollar earned by their male counter parts?

I think it's none of my business how you feel about your grand-daughters or whose set of statistics you choose to subscribe to. However if they were my grand-daughters I would give them the same advice I give everyone: a job interview is a two-way street.

Too often, the interview process is viewed (from perspective of the potential employer as well as from the perspective of the potential employee) as a gracious extension of opportunity handed down from the benevolent employer to just within the grasp of the cowed employee *if* they play their cards right. That's wrong. When you go into an interview, don't have that mentality. If the other people in the room have that mentality, leave. It's not a place you want to work. In that environment you're going to get walked over on a daily basis and paid whatever the boss deems your value to be. When you accept treatment like that on day #1 (before day #1 really), when you accept a job on those terms they know you'll keep doing it for as long as you work there; you'll be a good little slave for them.

If you're getting paid 0.68x what your peers are, for any reason, you shouldn't have taken the job. Even if you didn't know what your peers were making when you took the job, there were probably some red flags that you ignored because you were in the wrong mindset, willing to accept whatever garbage they could pile on you just for the privilege of working at their esteemed garbage patch. Quit your job and go into your next interview with some self confidence. Don't be interrogated; ask the kind of questions that make the people across the table worry that they might not measure up to your value.

 

I think it's none of my business how you feel about your grand-daughters or whose set of statistics you choose to subscribe to. However if they were my grand-daughters I would give them the same advise I give everyone: a job interview is a two-way street.

Too often, the interview process is viewed (from perspective of the potential employer as well as from the perspective of the potential employee) as a gracious extension of opportunity handed down from the benevolent employer to just within the grasp of the cowed employee *if* they play their cards right. That's wrong. When you go into an interview, don't have that mentality. If the other people in the room have that mentality, leave. It's not a place you want to work. In that environment you're going to get walked over on a daily basis and paid whatever the boss deems your value to be. When you accept treatment like that on day #1 (before day #1 really), when you accept a job on those terms they know you'll keep doing it for as long as you work there; you'll be a good little slave for them.

If you're getting paid 0.68x what your peers are, for any reason, you should have taken the job. Even if you didn't know what your peers were making when you took the job, there were probably some red flags that you ignored because you were in the wrong mindset, willing to accept whatever garbage they could pile on you just for the privilege of working at their esteemed garbage patch. Quit your job and go into your next interview with some self confidence. Don't be interrogated; ask the kind of questions that make the people across the table worry that they might not measure up to your value.

Romantic notion. It works today, in the age of labor shortage. It works for someone who has the credentials based on grades or experience. It works for a good-old-boy when a boss wants to hire a "friend" or drinking buddy - but, for anyone else, I wish them good luck if they graduate with less than a 3.5GPA and try your shtick.

 

Romantic notion.

It's more than that. It's a viable tactic I've employed in the past and it worked for me.

It works today, in the age of labor shortage.

Yes, it does. I try to keep my advice relevant to current situations. Is that not what we were talking about? Was I supposed to give retroactive advice for someone else's granddaughter who couldn't get a decent job in 1965? Or was I supposed to give advice relevant to 2035? I don't see where I went wrong.

It works for someone who has the credentials based on grades or experience. [...] but, for anyone else, I wish them good luck if they graduate with less than a 3.5GPA and try your shtick.

Exactly. That's the other main component of my outlook on things. Any good or service is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If you find your service is valued less by those who are expected to pay for it than what you think its value is, either you're wrong about the value or you're trying to sell it to the wrong people. Most services are worth more if you have more experience. If you don't have experience, then your service is worth little. That's the reality, you must accept it. Accept a job with pay commensurate with your experience at a company who treats their people like people, and get some experience. Then try for a higher paying job. If it's a high GPA that is important in your chosen field and you don't have a high GPA, then you chose the wrong field. Go find a different field.

It works for a good-old-boy when a boss wants to hire a "friend" or drinking buddy

Absolutely agree. Nepotism is a cancer that needs to be squashed soundly and finally.

 

Yes, it does. I try to keep my advice relevant to current situations. Is that not what we were talking about? Was I supposed to give retroactive advice for someone else's granddaughter who couldn't get a decent job in 1965? Or was I supposed to give advice relevant to 2035? I don't see where I went wrong.

we can only hope the labor shortage and runaway inflation continues until your daughters can find jobs and through their entire careers. No need for rule changes, equal pay for equal work laws as long as they are exceptional in the eyes of their potential or existing employers - and that they are not so irreplaceable that their employer doesn't go belly-up while they are on maternity leave. Good luck.

 

we can only hope the labor shortage and runaway inflation continues until your daughters can find jobs and through their entire careers. No need for rule changes, equal pay for equal work laws as long as they are exceptional in the eyes of their potential or existing employers - and that they are not so irreplaceable that their employer doesn't go belly-up while they are on maternity leave. Good luck.

You sound like a profoundly sad person. No need to improve yourself or your own situation when you can just drag everyone around you down to your level. If that's the wisdom you passed on to your grand-daughters then it's no surprise they make so little. Probably the only tactic they know is to complain about their situation to everyone around them and kill the morale of every team they work with. Good luck!

 

You sound like a profoundly sad person. No need to improve yourself or your own situation when you can just drag everyone around you down to your level. If that's the wisdom you passed on to your grand-daughters then it's no surprise they make so little. Probably the only tactic they know is to complain about their situation to everyone around them and kill the morale of every team they work with. Good luck!

Do they make so little? I'm not sure about that. I just fight employers and anyone else who thinks it is ok for employers to systematically give women lowball job offers and the only retaliation/penalty is that women who eventually discover their wage is lower than male counter-parts (and can afford to pass-up an offer) should walk away. Do you think other selective ae offerings are ok to other protected groups? Age, Race, Disability? Lowball offers based on the applicant is wrong. It was wrong for the womens natonal soccer team - a winning team that generates more money for USSF than the losing men's team - and it is wrong for any employer to pay significantly less for someone capable of generating similar (or greater) profits as a man.

 

Do they make so little? I'm not sure about that.

I'm sorry. I incorrectly interpreted your comment to mean that they in fact did earn 68% of their male counter-parts.

I just fight employers and anyone else who thinks it is ok for employers to systematically give women lowball job offers and the only retaliation/penalty is that women who eventually discover their wage is lower than male counter-parts (and can afford to pass-up an offer) should walk away.

I, on the other hand, question the systematic nature of women getting lowball offers. Of course I agree that, if that's going on, it's wrong. But I don't see it going on. And if I'm just blinded by male privilege (an accusation I'm conveniently unable to defend myself against) then I find it worth pointing out that an employment contract is mutually agreed upon. When you sign it, you're affirming the value of your work. If it's less than that of your peers, it's because you're the one who said it was. If women are systematically getting lowball offers and if there is a corresponding systematic underpayment of female workers, then there is a corresponding systematic acceptance of lowball offers by women that feeds and perpetuates the vicious cycle. There is an obvious way to break the cycle.

Do you think other selective ae offerings are ok to other protected groups? Age, Race, Disability?

I'm absolutely against AE, quotas, etc. College admissions, Job offers, salary, etc. should have nothing whatsoever to do with a person's immutable charactistics whether they're a white man, Asian woman, black transgender, whatever. Codifying new discrimination doesn't do anything to combat old discrimination. If anything, it generates resentment that otherwise wouldn't exist. It aggravates -isms rather than soothes them.

Lowball offers based on the applicant is wrong.

100% agree

It was wrong for the womens natonal soccer team - a winning team that generates more money for USSF than the losing men's team -

When I last familiarized myself with this topic, the bold portion seemed far from true. When I researched it again just now, it seems everything Google is willing to share with me, agrees with you. So rather than go out of my way to find contradictory data I'll concede. The women's team was justified in their actions.

and it is wrong for any employer to pay significantly less for someone capable of generating similar (or greater) profits as a man.

90% agreed. The following re-wording gets it to 100%.
"it is wrong for any employer to pay significantly less for someone who generates similar (or greater) profits as a man."

 

90% agreed. The following re-wording gets it to 100%.
"it is wrong for any employer to pay significantly less for someone who generates similar (or greater) profits as a man."

So, it appears a white man can et a high offer but your bold highlight indicates any other person must only get a comparable offer AFTER they actually generate similar or greater revenue. I think you need to rethink your core beliefs on this. I find white men exaggerate their skills and inflate their resumes far more than the people you seem to believe must PROVe their worth before getting compensated at a level a white mail counterpart would be offered before proving his skills. If you think EVERYONE must prove their worth, then you need to withdraw your changes to my proposed text because it certainly reads as though a white male gets the high offer on faith of their skills and everyone else must come in on some sort of probationary salary until they prove their value.

 

So, it appears a white man can et a high offer but your bold highlight indicates any other person must only get a comparable offer AFTER they actually generate similar or greater revenue. I think you need to rethink your core beliefs on this. I find white men exaggerate their skills and inflate their resumes far more than the people you seem to believe must PROVe their worth before getting compensated at a level a white mail counterpart would be offered before proving his skills. If you think EVERYONE must prove their worth, then you need to withdraw your changes to my proposed text because it certainly reads as though a white male gets the high offer on faith of their skills and everyone else must come in on some sort of probationary salary until they prove their value.

Wow, the extent to which you will go out of your way to be disagreeable is remarkable. The point you're arguing is so far removed from what I said that I can't even wrap my head around it. It is obvious to me now that you would fight me even if I were repeating all of your own points back to you. So, go away now, go have fun playing with your straw men and thinking up new creative ways to irritate folks.

 

Wow, the extent to which you will go out of your way to be disagreeable is remarkable. The point you're arguing is so far removed from what I said that I can't even wrap my head around it. It is obvious to me now that you would fight me even if I were repeating all of your own points back to you. So, go away now, go have fun playing with your straw men and thinking up new creative ways to irritate folks.

Four sentences to attack someone asking you to clarify rather than clarify? Wow.

 

Update on the truck:


My daughter and I sanded it down, filled imperfections with bondo, sanded, primed, sanded, bondo'd again, primed, sanded, primed, primed again, and sanded again. Probably 100hrs of work between us.


During all that my wife had plenty of time to think, and she got cold feet. She didn't want to put my daughter, in the time of her life where she's most likely to crash, into a vehicle that lacks all the safety features of modern vehicles. I couldn't really argue with that; I mean, I started to, "well we all grew up learning to drive in vehicles with no airbags and we're all fine...." except, we aren't. I had friends die in accidents in high school. I'm sure we all know someone who isn't around, who might be if they had modern safety features.


So ("coincidentally") my wife got a new car and handed down her 2013 Mazda 5 to my daughter and all work on the truck stopped. It sat there for several months clad in white primer and about a month ago I decided to put paint on it.

I pulled it out into the yard and over a 4 day period I sprayed 2 gallons of Rustoleum tractor paint on it with a $30 gun from Harbor Freight. Then spent about 50 hours scouring the dead mosquitoes, gnats, moth legs, dead grass and tree debris out of it, wet sanding (600, 1200, and 2000 grit) and buffing, and this is how it looks now:







I don't know what it's future will be. My daughter won't be driving it, I already have a truck, and I will never sell it after the work I've put into it, so I guess it will be a spare vehicle that I have to remember to start up every couple weeks so the battery doesn't go bad.

 

Will it ever see the white stripe? Like the blue one in a very early post?

I'll buy it from you if you and your daughter hand sign The rear quarter panel in black paint). And sandblast all the chrome trim and paint the trim black.

 

Will it ever see the white stripe? Like the blue one in a very early post?

Negative. That was the original plan but that was before I grasped how much work was involved with painting it just one color.

I'll buy it from you if you and your daughter hand sign The rear quarter panel in black paint). And sandblast all the chrome trim and paint the trim black.

my wife texted a picture of it to her friend and they asked how much I want for it. I said "ask me again in a year. Right now I feel like it's worth about $15k to me."

 

Right now I feel like it's worth about $15k to me.

funny how the value of a thing always lies in perception ...