Aether based gravity

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JimBarfield

Joined Jul 23, 2023
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Can you explain what you are talking about?

What is "phase lineage" as you refer to it here, and what does it matter?
Where did that startlingly precise surface area come from?
Why is the significance of a "chime potential", what does it add to the ideas of resonance and standing waves?

Without a stated hypothesis and definitions of terms, how can you have a "theory" of anything?
Phase lineage represents the subset of wavelengths required to produce 'usable' constructive interference along various points of a scale. We can use a guitar to describe it's application.

The frame of reference will be as follows: the guitar is a right handed version and is held in the conventional manner. The nut is the left limit and the bridge is the right. Strike one string just sufficiently to set it in audible motion and take note of the amount of time it takes for the sound to diminish beyond your hearing ability. A useful approximation is all that is needed. This is called an open strike and produces the set of fewest and longest waves required to sustain the smoothest and most efficient path to equilibrium.

Find the halfway point between the nut and the bridge. This is usually right above the 12th fret. Touch the string but don't push it down to the fingerboard. With a different finger, strike the string sufficiently to set it in motion, taking note of the duration. If you are close enough to the sweet spot, you will clearly hear the harmonic chime and it's duration will be reasonably close to the sustain of the open string.

The energy from the strike is more or less simultaneously transmitted toward the nut and the bridge. Some of the energy that does not get absorbed into the hardware will make it's way back towards it's source of emission where it's peaks and valleys sum to constructive interference with the waves coming back from the other end.

The more rigorous the craftsmanship of the luthier (maker of stringed instruments), the better your chances of finding chimes.

If you repeat this process at the 7th fret, you will find another sweet spot (chime potential).
You will hear the same pitch raised by one octave. On the guitar that I am using the hardware contact points for the G string are about 12 3/4 inches equidistant from the 12th fret so the interval ratio is 1:1. This is probably the most commonly played chime on guitar.

The distance from the 7th fret to the bridge looks like about 17 3/16". 7th fret to nut is about 8 1/2"
There seems to be a discrepancy and there is. If you can hear the chime, you would expect a 2:1 ratio but this is clearly not precisely the case. In this case, the sweet spot is actually a little to the right of the 7th fret. The frets have very little to do with the wave action unless the string is depressed. If they are metal, they will contribute at least a little to the reverberation.

Fretted stringed instruments do not generally produce perfect pitch at every location on the fingerboard. For one thing, depressing the string may produce a slightly 'wrong' intonation.

Discrepancies in intonation are brought about by a number of things such as: uneven wear on the frets, neck bow and string diameter. To compensate, many commercially produced guitars are bridged by independent saddles so that you can adjust the length of each string.

Even after all that you will likely still get some dissonance which, in the right measure can actually compliment a chord. The more the two waves are said to be in phase, the more you get what sounds like a hum. When they are just the right amount out of phase, you can get more of a pleasing 'growl'. This growl sells records and is sought after by those who understand it's value.

In this case, the saddles provide an adjustable constant that can help to integrate unwanted dissonance into a fuzzy state of pleasing imperfection.

Phase lineage describes a family of cycles that are related by proportionality. The same reasoning that is used to describe how these proportions give us chimes is used to describe why electrons must gain a specific amount of energy to go to a higher state.

0.84 fm ^2 may seem precise but do not be startled. It is actually just a guess based on what I gathered the current consensus is if you could measure the diameter of a proton.
 

BobTPH

Joined Jun 5, 2013
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I am not going to read that until you can show the mathematical equations for it, and how, under ordinary circumstances, it reduces to the equation Newton formulated in the seventeenth century:

F = G m1 m2 / r^2
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
13,704
Phase lineage represents the subset of wavelengths required to produce 'usable' constructive interference along various points of a scale. We can use a guitar to describe it's application.

The frame of reference will be as follows: the guitar is a right handed version and is held in the conventional manner. The nut is the left limit and the bridge is the right. Strike one string just sufficiently to set it in audible motion and take note of the amount of time it takes for the sound to diminish beyond your hearing ability. A useful approximation is all that is needed. This is called an open strike and produces the set of fewest and longest waves required to sustain the smoothest and most efficient path to equilibrium.

Find the halfway point between the nut and the bridge. This is usually right above the 12th fret. Touch the string but don't push it down to the fingerboard. With a different finger, strike the string sufficiently to set it in motion, taking note of the duration. If you are close enough to the sweet spot, you will clearly hear the harmonic chime and it's duration will be reasonably close to the sustain of the open string.

The energy from the strike is more or less simultaneously transmitted toward the nut and the bridge. Some of the energy that does not get absorbed into the hardware will make it's way back towards it's source of emission where it's peaks and valleys sum to constructive interference with the waves coming back from the other end.

The more rigorous the craftsmanship of the luthier (maker of stringed instruments), the better your chances of finding chimes.

If you repeat this process at the 7th fret, you will find another sweet spot (chime potential).
You will hear the same pitch raised by one octave. On the guitar that I am using the hardware contact points for the G string are about 12 3/4 inches equidistant from the 12th fret so the interval ratio is 1:1. This is probably the most commonly played chime on guitar.

The distance from the 7th fret to the bridge looks like about 17 3/16". 7th fret to nut is about 8 1/2"
There seems to be a discrepancy and there is. If you can hear the chime, you would expect a 2:1 ratio but this is clearly not precisely the case. In this case, the sweet spot is actually a little to the right of the 7th fret. The frets have very little to do with the wave action unless the string is depressed. If they are metal, they will contribute at least a little to the reverberation.

Fretted stringed instruments do not generally produce perfect pitch at every location on the fingerboard. For one thing, depressing the string may produce a slightly 'wrong' intonation.

Discrepancies in intonation are brought about by a number of things such as: uneven wear on the frets, neck bow and string diameter. To compensate, many commercially produced guitars are bridged by independent saddles so that you can adjust the length of each string.

Even after all that you will likely still get some dissonance which, in the right measure can actually compliment a chord. The more the two waves are said to be in phase, the more you get what sounds like a hum. When they are just the right amount out of phase, you can get more of a pleasing 'growl'. This growl sells records and is sought after by those who understand it's value.

In this case, the saddles provide an adjustable constant that can help to integrate unwanted dissonance into a fuzzy state of pleasing imperfection.

Phase lineage describes a family of cycles that are related by proportionality. The same reasoning that is used to describe how these proportions give us chimes is used to describe why electrons must gain a specific amount of energy to go to a higher state.

0.84 fm ^2 may seem precise but do not be startled. It is actually just a guess based on what I gathered the current consensus is if you could measure the diameter of a proton.
From what I remember of my rock band days, we called them simply 'harmonics'.
There were some places where they were louder than using other fret locations.
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
13,704
This works 2d if the center of the pizza is the Arctic circle and it was cut into more pieces. Looks Antarctica is backing out of the situation though.
You can use a transform to transform a sphere into a flat surface, but it's still not the actual earth shape :)
The south pole would then be stretched to form the circumference of the pizza and the (exact) north pole would become a single point.
 

Ya’akov

Joined Jan 27, 2019
10,235
Phase lineage represents the subset of wavelengths required to produce 'usable' constructive interference along various points of a scale. We can use a guitar to describe it's application.

The frame of reference will be as follows: the guitar is a right handed version and is held in the conventional manner. The nut is the left limit and the bridge is the right. Strike one string just sufficiently to set it in audible motion and take note of the amount of time it takes for the sound to diminish beyond your hearing ability. A useful approximation is all that is needed. This is called an open strike and produces the set of fewest and longest waves required to sustain the smoothest and most efficient path to equilibrium.

Find the halfway point between the nut and the bridge. This is usually right above the 12th fret. Touch the string but don't push it down to the fingerboard. With a different finger, strike the string sufficiently to set it in motion, taking note of the duration. If you are close enough to the sweet spot, you will clearly hear the harmonic chime and it's duration will be reasonably close to the sustain of the open string.

The energy from the strike is more or less simultaneously transmitted toward the nut and the bridge. Some of the energy that does not get absorbed into the hardware will make it's way back towards it's source of emission where it's peaks and valleys sum to constructive interference with the waves coming back from the other end.

The more rigorous the craftsmanship of the luthier (maker of stringed instruments), the better your chances of finding chimes.

If you repeat this process at the 7th fret, you will find another sweet spot (chime potential).
You will hear the same pitch raised by one octave. On the guitar that I am using the hardware contact points for the G string are about 12 3/4 inches equidistant from the 12th fret so the interval ratio is 1:1. This is probably the most commonly played chime on guitar.

The distance from the 7th fret to the bridge looks like about 17 3/16". 7th fret to nut is about 8 1/2"
There seems to be a discrepancy and there is. If you can hear the chime, you would expect a 2:1 ratio but this is clearly not precisely the case. In this case, the sweet spot is actually a little to the right of the 7th fret. The frets have very little to do with the wave action unless the string is depressed. If they are metal, they will contribute at least a little to the reverberation.

Fretted stringed instruments do not generally produce perfect pitch at every location on the fingerboard. For one thing, depressing the string may produce a slightly 'wrong' intonation.

Discrepancies in intonation are brought about by a number of things such as: uneven wear on the frets, neck bow and string diameter. To compensate, many commercially produced guitars are bridged by independent saddles so that you can adjust the length of each string.

Even after all that you will likely still get some dissonance which, in the right measure can actually compliment a chord. The more the two waves are said to be in phase, the more you get what sounds like a hum. When they are just the right amount out of phase, you can get more of a pleasing 'growl'. This growl sells records and is sought after by those who understand it's value.

In this case, the saddles provide an adjustable constant that can help to integrate unwanted dissonance into a fuzzy state of pleasing imperfection.

Phase lineage describes a family of cycles that are related by proportionality. The same reasoning that is used to describe how these proportions give us chimes is used to describe why electrons must gain a specific amount of energy to go to a higher state.

0.84 fm ^2 may seem precise but do not be startled. It is actually just a guess based on what I gathered the current consensus is if you could measure the diameter of a proton.
So, stuff you made up then?

”Phase lineage” is indecipherable, and harmonics doesn’t new name, and everything you are concerned with otherwise can be explained by existing terminology and methods in physics. The possibly interesting but completely immaterial to the question details of guitar construction and tuning peculiarities add nothing to a clarification of what you are talking about—in fact, it obscures it.

And, this has nothing to do with æther, gravity, or anything else that might be germane. It is much distinct impression this thread was started for your personal entertainment. I find this extremely off-putting and abusive. My time in the thread is done. I hope that people aren’t roped by the word salad into trying to debunk something that isn’t even wrong.

I have no ill will and sincerely wish you the best of luck in the future—but I’ve got to reduce my own agitation by ignoring your posts going forward. (Except in my capacity as a moderator, which might require attending at times).

Be well.
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
13,704
Hi,

It's natural to think out loud sometimes without defining everything perfectly. It's better though when there is either some accompanying work or there is already a consensus, or something is easy to believe could be true. Makes for some interesting discussion.
If we were talking plain science, there would be almost nothing to talk about because whatever is known up to today is already known, and if you can't question any of it then we're back to nothing to talk about.
If you bring in new terms that were not known beforehand though you should at least take the time to define them.

Here's an example from Rick and Morty of how inventing words on the fly leaves readers nowhere...

HOW A PLUMBUS IS MADE
"First, you take the dinglepop, and you smooth it out with a bunch of schleem. The schleem is then repurposed for later batches.
Then you take the dinglebop and push it through the grumbo, where the fleeb is rubbed against it. It's important that the fleeb is rubbed, because the fleeb has all of the fleeb juice.
Then a Shlami shows up and he rubs it, and spits on it.
Then you cut the fleeb. There's several hizzards in the way.
The blaffs rub against the chumbles, and the plubus and grumbo are shaved away.
That leaves you with a regular old plumbus!"

To the person stating this they already know what everything means, but because many of those words are not common knowledge, this tells us absolutely and completely nothing at all. In particular, note there is no way to refute nor verify the result, or even discuss any of it.
 
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JimBarfield

Joined Jul 23, 2023
37
I have seen this video and a few from others such as Fermilab. Also, starting with Eric Lathwaite to observe how a magnetic field suspends objects mid-air. There seems to be a measurable tension that exists between these objects.

I am not trying to debunk anything or state that anything is wrong. In post #81 I am endeavoring to use everyday objects, whatever is at hand, to gain a deeper understanding of the relationship between EM, the strong and weak forces and gravity.

I am going to try to work through something like this:
 
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