I can see 9 posts were deleted and some caught in the middle even though innocent would have been out of context.

 

The line does get blurred at times...

 

I suppose the posts were a bit off-topic anyhow.

Back on topic, a few weeks in Tahiti would be nice...

 

It also means that the vaccines are effective against other coronaviruses (including future mutations) with those same spikes.

I hope that's true. I haven't seen anyone from the CDC say that. Maybe they're afraid to say it because it Might Not Be True. I don't KNOW that, I just suspect that.

@Tonyr1084 Has anyone collected info around your Bells Palsy manifestation? I'd think Pfizer would want to collect as much info as possible about it.

Yes. It's been reported.

This is a bad flu at worst and NOTHING MORE.

I've had friends and family touched by the disease. One death, which may have well ended up for the better for "him" as opposed to the others who are living with after-effects from the disease. I think it's a bit more than "NOTHING MORE".

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I sure didn't mean to send this thread off track. I guess a lot of us are feeling frustrations from both the economic affects and the affects of being isolated to some degree, large or small.

My apologies to all. I respect others rights to have an opinion different from mine. I know mine is not the Be All - End All of opinions. It's just my world through my eyes. And I'm the only one in this entire world who can see through MY eyes. CV19 has brought death and damage close to home. And in America - closing in on 600 million lives lost with many many more who are having side effects linger for an untold time. I've been lucky (and maybe smart enough) to not pick up this bad bad thing (my opinion!).

So what am I doing post lockdown? Well, next Tuesday I hope to start building the space over my garage. Putting up a woodshop and will make an attempt at starting a business of my own. Custom cabinets and wood furniture. And other wood projects as well.

 

As with everything associated with <snip> it is wait and see. All new territory being discovered here...

Moderator edit: From henceforth we shall restrict the name of the disease to COVID-19 or corona virus disease or corona virus pandemic.

 

As with everything associated with <snip> it is wait and see. All new territory being discovered here...

Moderator edit: From henceforth we shall restrict the name of the disease to COVID-19 or corona virus disease or corona virus pandemic.

I respect that. But are we going to be that sensitive about names now? I understand - and have seen - violence against an ethnic people because of the name of a disease given and those who blame ALL people of that ethnicity for what some one or few may have done. I don't condone the violence in any way, shape or form; however, we can't all stop going to Dairy Queen just because someone may be offended at the name "Queen" as a reference to homosexuality.

Here are some more diseases named after either a person, place or country:

• West Nile Virus

Named after the West Nile District of Uganda discovered in 1937.

• Guinea Worm

Named by European explorers for the Guinea coast of West Africa in the 1600s.

• Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever

Named after the mountain range spreading across western North America first recognized first in 1896 in Idaho.

• Lyme Disease

Named after a large outbreak of the disease occurred in Lyme and Old Lyme, Connecticut in the 1970s.

• Ross River Fever

Named after a mosquito found to cause the disease in the Ross River of Queensland, Australia by the 1960s. The first major outbreak occurred in 1928.

• Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever

Named after its 1940s discovery in Omsk, Russia.

• Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever

Named in 1976 for the Ebola River in Zaire located in central Africa.

• Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)

Also known as “camel flu,” MERS was first reported in Saudi Arabia in 2012 and all cases are linked to those who traveled to the Middle Eastern peninsula.

• Valley Fever

Valley Fever earned its nickname from a 1930s outbreak San Joaquin Valley of California, though its first case came from Argentina.

• Marburg Virus Disease

Named after Marburg, Germany in 1967.

• Norovirus

Named after Norwalk, Ohio after an outbreak in 1968.

• Zika Fever

First discovered in 1947 and named after the Zika Forest in Uganda.

• Japanese Encephalitis

Named after its first case in Japan in 1871.

• German Measles

Named after the German doctors who first described it in the 18th century. The disease is also sometimes referred to as “Rubella.”

• Spanish Flu

While the true origins of the Spanish Flu remain unknown, the diseas earned its name after Spain began to report deaths from the flu in its newspapers.

• Lassa Fever

Named after the being found in Lassa, Nigeria in 1969.

• Legionnaire’s Disease

Named in 1976 following an outbreak of people contracting the lung infection after attending an American Legion convention in Philadelphia.

source

 

Here are some more diseases named

Synesthesia:
Having senses connected. Some people can smell music.

Pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism:
Condition with symptoms similar to pseudohypoparathyroidism but not the characteristic abnormal levels of calcium and phosphorus.

Cataplexy:
Every time strong emotions are felt, the muscles weaken dramatically, causing the person to collapse.

Pica:
People with this disease have the urge to eat things like dirt, paper, glue, and clay and is believed to be linked to mineral deficiency.

Empirism:
An awful affliction brought on by watching too much BBC; usually manifests in a British accent and a sudden craving for tea.

Exploding Head Syndrome:
This is real. I have it.

And the worst of the worst!

Children:
They'll slowly but surely kill you.

 

Tch Tch Tch...

 

I respect that. But are we going to be that sensitive about names now? I understand - and have seen - violence against an ethnic people because of the name of a disease given and those who blame ALL people of that ethnicity for what some one or few may have done. I don't condone the violence in any way, shape or form; however, we can't all stop going to Dairy Queen just because someone may be offended at the name "Queen" as a reference to homosexuality.

Here are some more diseases named after either a person, place or country:

• West Nile Virus

Named after the West Nile District of Uganda discovered in 1937.

• Guinea Worm

Named by European explorers for the Guinea coast of West Africa in the 1600s.

• Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever

Named after the mountain range spreading across western North America first recognized first in 1896 in Idaho.

• Lyme Disease

Named after a large outbreak of the disease occurred in Lyme and Old Lyme, Connecticut in the 1970s.

• Ross River Fever

Named after a mosquito found to cause the disease in the Ross River of Queensland, Australia by the 1960s. The first major outbreak occurred in 1928.

• Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever

Named after its 1940s discovery in Omsk, Russia.

• Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever

Named in 1976 for the Ebola River in Zaire located in central Africa.

• Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)

Also known as “camel flu,” MERS was first reported in Saudi Arabia in 2012 and all cases are linked to those who traveled to the Middle Eastern peninsula.

• Valley Fever

Valley Fever earned its nickname from a 1930s outbreak San Joaquin Valley of California, though its first case came from Argentina.

• Marburg Virus Disease

Named after Marburg, Germany in 1967.

• Norovirus

Named after Norwalk, Ohio after an outbreak in 1968.

• Zika Fever

First discovered in 1947 and named after the Zika Forest in Uganda.

• Japanese Encephalitis

Named after its first case in Japan in 1871.

• German Measles

Named after the German doctors who first described it in the 18th century. The disease is also sometimes referred to as “Rubella.”

• Spanish Flu

While the true origins of the Spanish Flu remain unknown, the diseas earned its name after Spain began to report deaths from the flu in its newspapers.

• Lassa Fever

Named after the being found in Lassa, Nigeria in 1969.

• Legionnaire’s Disease

Named in 1976 following an outbreak of people contracting the lung infection after attending an American Legion convention in Philadelphia.

source

Interesting, thanks.

 

WHO issues best practices for naming new human infectious diseases
- article dated 8 May 2015
https://www.who.int/news/item/08-05...ices-for-naming-new-human-infectious-diseases

Yale School of Medicine: Calling COVID-19 the "Wuhan Virus" or "China Virus" is inaccurate and xenophobic
- article dated 12 March 2020
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/23074/

 

WHO issues best practices for naming new human infectious diseases

Yes, I know they did. And I'm OK with that. But are we so politically correct now that we can't use any term that any person LOOKING to find an offensive term as being offensive? I grew up with these names. To the best of my limited knowledge nobody ever hated Spaniards for the Spanish flu. Nobody hated African descendants for the diseases that were first discovered in Africa. Germans were not persecuted for the German Measles. At least not that I've ever heard of.

So what has changed? Political correctness? Some politician who repeatedly called a disease by its place of origin? Sure, the World Health Organization decided naming diseases after their origin isn't a good idea, but even still when I read the "<snip>ed" comment before it was snipped I didn't find it offensive. Nor did it make me want to go out and beat people of East Asian descent. Sure, it's happening, but we're making ourselves madder than we need to be over more and more trivial things. Where does the madness stop? Does it stop after lockdown?

I grew up just a few miles away from where the Watts Riot took place. My father (and other adult male's) used the term of that day for black people. Started with N and ended with R, and it wasn't "Nation Builder". I grew up wondering what was wrong with "Those People" (please don't snip that). I had to GROW UP in order to start seeing people as just people with differing skin pigmentations. Not long after the Watts Riot my parents moved to a predominantly Mexican neighborhood. Sure, us white kids had derogatory names for them (referencing beans and oceans). But that's what we learned from our adults. But becoming an adult I learned that my Mexican neighbors were some of the best neighbors I've ever known. I don't call them by derogatory terms now that I'm an adult. And we shouldn't be calling people names. Those who DO use derogatory names are themselves small minded individuals.

We all have opinions and beliefs. Mine surely differ from others. I respect their right to hold their opinions and beliefs, and I expect them to respect mine. Apparently I missed some of the fighting that may have occurred as a result of my opening a can of worms. Oh, geez. There's another term that may become politically incorrect. We can hold differing opinions and beliefs and should be allowed to express them without fear of being beat over the head for holding a position different from another. We should NOT beat others up for their views. This is what adults do. Reason. Think. Accept that others hold differing views from ours. Those who have to start fighting over the differences are "Work In Progress", the emphasis being on "Progress". We must progress to a place where we can live and let live. Now, if I get censured for this - oh well. My life won't end over it. If I'm kicked off the forum - then maybe I don't need to be here. There are those who "Ignore" me. OK, I'm not hurt by that. There are those whom I ignore. Why? Because they rub me the wrong way. But I don't beat them up over it. If someone doesn't want to hear what I have to say - go ahead. Click the IGGY button. Doesn't make my day, but it doesn't ruin it either.

Peace all. I'm done ranting. (watch this get edited or deleted)

 

I was watching a documentary the other day and they said there was a possibility the Spanish flu actually started in Kansas.

 

I was watching a documentary the other day and they said there was a possibility the Spanish flu actually started in Kansas.

That's interesting. From what I've heard so far is that it was called the Spanish flu because they were the first to report deaths from it.

It came as no surprise after the first World War. With all the death and dead bodies not being handled properly, someone was bound to get sick.

 

To the best of my limited knowledge nobody ever hated Spaniards for the Spanish flu. Nobody hated African descendants for the diseases that were first discovered in Africa. Germans were not persecuted for the German Measles. At least not that I've ever heard of.

So what has chsnged

People have hated Asians for the Chinese flu. Unlike Spaniards. Unlike Africans. Asians are being assaulted routinely now. A governmental leader encouraged hate.

That’s what changed.

 

@djsfantasi Yeah, that's it in a nut shell. I was just afraid to say it for fear of censure. So much for free speech. As long as it's not hateful it should be allowed. That and as long as it's rooted in fact, not in fear mongering.

 

I was watching a documentary the other day and they said there was a possibility the Spanish flu actually started in Kansas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

First wave of early 1918
The pandemic is conventionally marked as having begun on 4 March 1918 with the recording of the case of Albert Gitchell, an army cook at Camp Funston in Kansas, United States, despite there likely having been cases before him.[28] The disease had been observed in Haskell County in January 1918, prompting local doctor Loring Miner to warn the US Public Health Service's academic journal.[8] Within days, 522 men at the camp had reported sick.[29] By 11 March 1918, the virus had reached Queens, New York.[30] Failure to take preventive measures in March/April was later criticized.[31]

As the US had entered World War I, the disease quickly spread from Camp Funston, a major training ground for troops of the American Expeditionary Forces, to other US Army camps and Europe, becoming an epidemic in the Midwest, East Coast, and French ports by April 1918, and reaching the Western Front by the middle of the month.[28] It then quickly spread to the rest of France, Great Britain, Italy, and Spain and in May reached Breslau and Odessa.[28] After the signing of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk (March 1918), Germany started releasing Russian prisoners of war, who then brought the disease to their country.[32] It reached North Africa, India, and Japan in May, and soon after had likely gone around the world as there had been recorded cases in Southeast Asia in April.[33] In June an outbreak was reported in China.[34] After reaching Australia in July, the wave started to recede.[33]

The first wave of the flu lasted from the first quarter of 1918 and was relatively mild.[35] Mortality rates were not appreciably above normal;[2] in the United States ~75,000 flu-related deaths were reported in the first six months of 1918, compared to ~63,000 deaths during the same time period in 1915.[36] In Madrid, Spain, fewer than 1,000 people died from influenza between May and June 1918.[37] There were no reported quarantines during the first quarter of 1918. However, the first wave caused a significant disruption in the military operations of World War I, with three-quarters of French troops, half the British forces, and over 900,000 German soldiers sick.[38]

I also learned this in a Psychology Class, also saying it began with a regular flu or so it was assumed then while they were stationed basic training prior to deployment , the living conditions were poor and somehow these strapping young farm boys also succumbed to the deadly virus many made it to Europe. I find this analogy poorly explainable considering they lived on a farm with animals and dung, today we find those individuals have a stronger immune system built up over time. So, it seems many others feel the same as me. The origin was somewhere else and made it’s way to the base, not to say it happened in Spain either.


Who knows for sure, hard to determine, hearsay isn’t worth the time to listen, knowing it falls from the lips of people captured in the loop of hearsay.

kv

 

People have hated Asians for the Chinese flu. Unlike Spaniards. Unlike Africans. Asians are being assaulted routinely now. A governmental leader encouraged hate.

That’s what changed.

False! Most crimes against Asians are committed by African Americans and the motivation in such cases is almost always robbery.

 

False! Most crimes against Asians are committed by African Americans and the motivation in such cases is almost always robbery.

Can you support that statement with facts and the source(s)?

 

Can you support that statement with facts and the source(s)?

Turn that around. What evidence have YOU of racially-motivated hate crimes against Asians?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...te_crimes_more_bogeyman_than_fact_145473.html

Before the next of kin were even notified in the horrific shootings last week at three Atlanta-area massage parlors, the narrative was established: The fact that six of the eight victims were Asian women provides the proof that a “surge in hate crimes” against Asian Americans has bubbled up in the U.S. in response to the coronavirus pandemic. That fits neatly with the view of some Americans that our society, at its heart, is racist.

For contrast, consider the mass shooting this week in Boulder, Colo., in which the suspect is Syrian American. Even though all the victims were of the same race, no one assumes without proof that he was acting out of racial animosity because, of course, they were white. In Atlanta, the shooter killed two white people and injured a Latino. But the killings must still be motivated by anti-Asian hatred, right?

None of the evidence to emerge thus far supports that speculation.

Like Strickland, I am Korean American, and the idea that someone might randomly attack me at the gym or hurl racist invectives at me in the grocery checkout line makes me uneasy. So I looked into the numbers being used to support the so-called “surge” in attacks. They turn out to be thin, with data points cherry-picked to invoke fear and bolster the wobbly claim that the Atlanta shooter was driven by racism.

A report by the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism drew national media attention for identifying a 149% increase in anti-Asian hate crimes in 2020 compared to 2019 in 16 of our largest cities. A startling number -- until you learn the actual number of hate crimes in those cities rose from 49 to 122 – in a country of 330 million people.

In my hometown, Houston, there were three last year. The year before, there were none.

And what about the 3,795 incidents of harassment and discrimination against Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders documented by Stop AAPI Hate? The group’s data point is even more useless than the 149% increase figure. Stop AAPI (shorthand for Asian American and Pacific Islander) Hate was formed as the coronavirus pandemic took hold in the U.S. and its data has no baseline for comparison.

But it may be sufficiently frightening to open a line of federal spending directly to Stop AAPI Hate’s member organizations. The group was on Capitol Hill last week to urge lawmakers to address the kind of incidents it tracks and to fund programs supporting the victims.

There have been incidents of ugliness directed toward Asians, like the woman in Houston caught on videotape last spring yelling, “Get out of our country” at the owner of a Vietnamese restaurant. But the motivation for most of these incidents proves much harder to tease out. And “white supremacy” certainly doesn’t appear to be the animating motivation.

To wit: the case of an 84-year-old man of Thai descent who died in January after being shoved to the ground by a teenager in San Francisco. The district attorney was roundly criticized on social media after saying he had found no evidence the attack was racially motivated and that the teen, who was African American, had been seen banging on a car and having a “temper tantrum” at the time of the attack.

Similarly, the evidence so far in Atlanta doesn’t point toward race.

The shooter told police he targeted the massage parlors because they fueled his “sexual addiction.” A roommate from a halfway house backed up his story of struggling with compulsive sexual behavior and described him as having a “religious mania.” It came out later in the week that he had recently been kicked out of his parents’ home and had been furloughed from his job.

Police who are actually investigating the crime say they are still looking into his motives. But they are treading a fine line. In America in 2021, if you don’t see all events through the lens of race, you risk being called a racist.

The murders at the spas in Atlanta are despicable. But if any criminal act with a victim and perpetrator of different races is a hate crime, the legal distinction becomes farcical. Wielding inflated, misleading numbers and overheated, but meaningless, language for the sake of a “hot take” media narrative insults the 18 million Americans of Asian, Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Island descent – and misleads all Americans.

 

xox answer mine first and I'll answer yours.

I just did. Read the article!