is this vaccine experimental?

It's not as "experimental" as you imply. The research around mRNA vaccines has been ongoing for more than ten years. SARS-Cov2 was an opportunity to put all that research into practice.
If you read up on what mRNA vaccines do, especially in regard to SARS-Cov2, you'll see that the mechanisms used minimize influence over other body functions. Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines create antibodies that target the coronavirus spikes. This is important because those spikes are the reason SARS-Cov2 is as transmissible as it is and the reason it's so hard on people once infected. It also means that the vaccines are effective against other coronaviruses (including future mutations) with those same spikes.

And back on topic as well, my wife and I are looking forward to seeing all of our kids for Mother's Day. We will all have had two shots of either Moderna or Pfizer and completed the two week post injection wait. It's been a long time coming!

 

@Tonyr1084 Has anyone collected info around your Bells Palsy manifestation? I'd think Pfizer would want to collect as much info as possible about it.

 

Thank you for the explanation. Not the first time we have had to defend peoples rights to life, liberty, happiness and the right to be foolish or stupid. (Fifes and drums playing in the background).

Ron

 

It's not as "experimental" as you imply. The research around mRNA vaccines has been ongoing for more than ten years. SARS-Cov2 was an opportunity to put all that research into practice.
If you read up on what mRNA vaccines do, especially in regard to SARS-Cov2, you'll see that the mechanisms used minimize influence over other body functions. Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines create antibodies that target the coronavirus spikes. This is important because those spikes are the reason SARS-Cov2 is as transmissible as it is and the reason it's so hard on people once infected. It also means that the vaccines are effective against other coronaviruses (including future mutations) with those same spikes.

And back on topic as well, my wife and I are looking forward to seeing all of our kids for Mother's Day. We will all have had two shots of either Moderna or Pfizer and completed the two week post injection wait. It's been a long time coming!

We clearly have different definition of "experimental".

I have already posted how it is very interesting that there was no real life opportunities before to test this miracle cure.

It is all for the The Greater Good

 

We are American citizen's with constitutional rights. The "Constitutioner(s)" are those who claim the constitution gives them a "Constitutional Right" to stupidity. There's nothing in the constitution about having the right to act in a manor that puts general public health at risk. The constitution doesn't say I can't dedicate in the street - but it makes sense that we don't. The "Constitutioner's" are the ones who are using the constitution to excuse bad behavior. And my point about lifting restrictions too soon is aimed at the fact that if we keep putting HALF the fire out - the other half is going to REIGNITE it. Same is true of CV19.

The vaccine IS experimental. There have been some scattered reports of a condition called "Bells Palsy" caused by the Pfizer vaccine. I got one shot of Pfizer so far. I also got Bells Palsy. It's a temporary condition that can pass in as little as two weeks or as long as six months - or longer. I will not be getting a second Pfizer shot. Instead, in a month or two, depending on how fast my condition clears up, I'll get the Moderna vaccine.


The thread is about AFTER lockdown. That implies we've done all we can and have to do to defeat the virus; or bring it under control. AFTER, not "Mid-Lockdown". We keep opening things up too fast we'll never get over this pandemic. And it's a World Wide situation. So what am I going to do AFTER the lockdown is lifted - provided it's lifted at a reasonable time - I'm going to go to all the national parks as well as state parks. Still not going to get on a cruise ship, but I won't be afraid of flying.

This isn't just about personal liberties. It's about protecting ourselves from fabrications such as what is currently being push by the mainstream media. Their claims simply DO NOT match up with the data. Deaths are not astronomical. The risks are not monumental. This is a bad flu at worst and NOTHING MORE.

A moderate approach is all that was really needed, but instead we have allowed left-wing socialists to create a situation where freedoms are being eroded every day in the name of this so-called "pandemic" while a worldwide economic crisis of unbelievable proportions continues to unfold right before our very eyes. No wonder there's no consensus here!

 

Yes @xox
That is BECAUSE of the lock down!
I think I'll give it a rest for now.
There is no way to change folks who have bought into that side of the story.

Perhaps you can suggest how Canada could go about an Australia-like lockdown?

Our maritime provinces did quite well for a long time. Funny thing is most of their able natives live and work in Ontario, Alberta or BC...

Factors are not only "me first" but economic, dependency on trade etс.

p.s. if you use words "rights" and "USA" in one sentence, you are making it political. But you would know that if your wife is from there

 

@justtrying , This is what we did here.
We live in a country town a couple of hours away from the main city, and had to stay in out own home for some weeks, only allowed out for food and medical. It was quite hard. A lot of movie watching!!
Next, limits on home visits so we missed out family and friends.
Then the restrictions were local areas. For a long time we could not travel to the city as there were outbreaks there. Or interstate for the same reasons.
A lot of shops were closed and those that were open, like supermarkets, had a limit to the numbers of people in at a time. All were to wear masks and sanitize hands and trolleys before entering.
At the checkouts, perspex shields have been installed for the operators, as well as them being masked.
Spots were on the floors at 1.5M intervals marking where to stand while waiting.
Here in Oz, our government had fortnightly financial payments set up quickly to help businesses and workers survive. There were a few folk "fall through the cracks" as they say, but mostly we got by ok, even though it was not as good as "normal".
Now we are working on getting things going again. The important thing is we can go to a coffee shop freely now, and they are doing a roaring trade as people are so pleased to get back to life.
Some businesses did very well, like home hardware, because of all the home handymen staying home and fixing things. Also, media streaming and electronics (new TVs and computers) .
A lot of workers could work from home and many found it so good they are staying at that.
And instead of traveling a 3 hours each way to see my medical specialist in the city, they have set up on line video consultations and that saves us a day away for a few minutes consultation. That is a great improvement and will stay there I hope. And Zoom like meetings make it a lot easier in many other situations.
But is is good to have just had our granddaughter from the city come up and stay with us for a while. Skype or Zoom meetings are just not the same.
Friends and family can now travel and visit like before.

 

Yep, we've missed a lot of eating out at nice restaurants (really getting tired of takeout), visiting family and friends, going to movies, attending church, weddings, and funerals, birthday parties, and traveling (no way would I stop at a motel) to visit family and grandkids... At least I've been able to take the boat out a few times. Now that we and many others have been vaxed it will ease a bit but for us, although being at high risk not a whole lot still.

 

@justtrying , This is what we did here.
We live in a country town a couple of hours away from the main city, and had to stay in out own home for some weeks, only allowed out for food and medical. It was quite hard. A lot of movie watching!!
Next, limits on home visits so we missed out family and friends.
Then the restrictions were local areas. For a long time we could not travel to the city as there were outbreaks there. Or interstate for the same reasons.
A lot of shops were closed and those that were open, like supermarkets, had a limit to the numbers of people in at a time. All were to wear masks and sanitize hands and trolleys before entering.
At the checkouts, perspex shields have been installed for the operators, as well as them being masked.
Spots were on the floors at 1.5M intervals marking where to stand while waiting.
Here in Oz, our government had fortnightly financial payments set up quickly to help businesses and workers survive. There were a few folk "fall through the cracks" as they say, but mostly we got by ok, even though it was not as good as "normal".
Now we are working on getting things going again. The important thing is we can go to a coffee shop freely now, and they are doing a roaring trade as people are so pleased to get back to life.
Some businesses did very well, like home hardware, because of all the home handymen staying home and fixing things. Also, media streaming and electronics (new TVs and computers) .
A lot of workers could work from home and many found it so good they are staying at that.
And instead of traveling a 3 hours each way to see my medical specialist in the city, they have set up on line video consultations and that saves us a day away for a few minutes consultation. That is a great improvement and will stay there I hope. And Zoom like meetings make it a lot easier in many other situations.
But is is good to have just had our granddaughter from the city come up and stay with us for a while. Skype or Zoom meetings are just not the same.
Friends and family can now travel and visit like before.

So in Canada much of same is implemented. How many foreign exchange students and workers do you have coming in? How many people work cross border with another contry and travel daily (essential)? How many different provinces do you have go coordinate these measures?

Just some things for you to cosider

 

Moderator's notes:

Those posts were removed by a moderator. Reposting material removed by a moderator is not allowed.

Here's your notice: The thread turned into a free-for-all with many participants taking verbal swings at one-another. A moderator deleted the most damaging messages.

 

Guess that is better than a warning or outright ban...

 

Is there no notification for that?

Take it from me that means you have been put on double secret probation!

 

Hey guys I just noticed there's no moderators if you're going to do something now it's time to do it.
I'll be the lookout crystal ball and all

 

Be vewy vewy cawefull...

 

They talk the talk but don't walk the walk I think they're back everybody scatter! I'm going to homework and give them all the answers

 

Guess that is better than a warning or outright ban...

Not really. What's best is deleting any offensive content, tagged with "this post was edited to conform with forum rules" or somesuch. Deleting entire posts without comment is just a bit, oh I don't know, creepy?

 

I think they started with me or because of me, now you guys are paying for it.Sorry about that.

 

Political viewpoints and following counter arguments were deleted rather than banning said posters.

 

Political viewpoints and following counter arguments were deleted rather than banning said posters

Just to be on the safe side I was just kidding about that homework remark

 

Political viewpoints and following counter arguments were deleted rather than banning said posters.

I may have stepped into politics at some point but that nonetheless isn't in and of itself a very good reason to ban someone. The post of mine that I was referring to anyhow didn't even raise politics. I simply stated that there was too much disagreement on the matter however people should nonetheless do their part to stem the virus. That's hardly offensive! Was a deletion really warranted there?