Here is the simple math.
The cost to the public for one COVID-19 vaccine dose is about $20.
A supply of 1 billion doses with a profit margin of $1 per dose will net $1billion profit to the vaccine supply industry.

Reference:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiej...will-a-covid-19-vaccine-cost/?sh=6376632d576d

 

I wonder just what gross is being charged to administer 1 dose. My car insurance went down due to less transportation and hence fewer accidents during the pandemic. However, my health insurance didn't even though there were fewer people visiting doctors and hospitals. I'm sure the medical profession is trying to recoup its losses by administering CDF vax. I don't think I was even charged a co-pay for mine, it all went to insurance. Not sure if it was Federal or private.

 

Recently read an article (or heard it on TV) where a husband spent 4 weeks in Intensive Care. They got their hospital bill. It was close to 5 million dollars.

Now, is that the "normal" you want to get back to?

Not only do we need to defeat Covid, we also need to address the high cost of medical services. And yes, I don't recall exactly who said it, our great grandchildren WILL be paying for all of this. You're caught in a trap you can't get out of without paying the blood price. Either you pay or die. Just how life unfolds in the near and more distant future - only time will tell.

 

Recently read an article (or heard it on TV) where a husband spent 4 weeks in Intensive Care. They got their hospital bill. It was close to 5 million dollars.

That sounds a little excessive. During October I spent a week in a Type 1 Trauma ICU all wired up 24/7 followed by another week of being upgraded to just the Trauma Wing and the bill was nowhere near those sort of numbers. Got anything credible, like a credible link pointing to 1.25 million a week for COVID care? While I agree cost are out of control for care as well as drug cost that just sounds excessive.

Ron

 

Back in the early 70s, I trashed my left shoulder. Orthopedic guy operated and put it all back in place with wires and screws that were removed weeks later in a second operation. Got the bill and choked! So I asked for an itemized bill before I would pay it. Anything taken out of stores is charged whether it is used or not. I had some meds on me that were taken away on admittance. Then, they gave me the exact same med at ~$10 per dose!! The original script for 20 I had didn't cost that much. And it has only gotten worse... Surgical hours I've had since were ~$10-20k/hr

 

That sounds a little excessive. During October I spent a week in a Type 1 Trauma ICU all wired up 24/7 followed by another week of being upgraded to just the Trauma Wing and the bill was nowhere near those sort of numbers. Got anything credible, like a credible link pointing to 1.25 million a week for COVID care? While I agree cost are out of control for care as well as drug cost that just sounds excessive.

Ron

Read it on the internet. It MUST be true!

Actually, I believe I saw the story on PBS (Public Broadcasting Service). Whether I remember it correctly or not - I do recall "Over four million dollars."

 

I’ve had two major hospitalizations. The first was for Guilliane Barre’. I was in intensive care for ~3 months. I received infusions of human immunodeficiency serum, 4 times a day at $25,000 a pop. I then transferred to a rehab hospital for another month. Insurance paid for it all. And my company kept me in the payroll at full salary for 6 months.

The second time, I had hip replacement surgery. The surgery went well. The anesthesia, not so much. I was in a coma for three days and intensive care for 1-2 weeks. Then to rehab for a week. But I developed aphasia and delusions. I ended up in a psychiatric hospital for a month, on a locked down ward. Once again, I didn’t pay much; my insurance covered me.

I hear youstories and feel blessed that they are not mine. Not so blessed with my experiences, but thankfully it wasn’t a financial hardship.

This is why the ACA and its descendants and Medicare for all is important to our country. It’s NOT free stuff, any more than student loans (that have to be paid back), interstate highways, airport security, medicare, social security and funding for first responders are free. It is just an investment at the federal level for Americans instead of gifts to business and billionaires.

 

Finishing off the last details for the summer Vegas trip. I can't wait for some of that great food.

 

More good Vegas news.
https://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/nevada-will-return-to-full-capacity-on-june-1.html

Las Vegas, Reno and the rest of Nevada’s hotel casinos can begin to operate at full capacity beginning June 1, Gov. Steve Sisolak announced on Tuesday, the Las Vegas Sun reported.

 

More good Vegas news.
https://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/nevada-will-return-to-full-capacity-on-june-1.html

Las Vegas, Reno and the rest of Nevada’s hotel casinos can begin to operate at full capacity beginning June 1, Gov. Steve Sisolak announced on Tuesday, the Las Vegas Sun reported.

Oh yeah and they put in their order for new caskets too so they should be all set

Really though maybe that will push heard immunity up a bit too around there.
Cant keep everything "locked down" forever.

 

I've given up on thinking about when it ends. With all these resurgences it's more like "Herd Mentality" thinking every time we start to beat it down we need to stop the assault and let it regain a foot-hold. As long as people are anxious to get back to normal living and go ahead and go outside when it's still risky - we're never going to get there.

 

I've given up on thinking about when it ends. With all these resurgences it's more like "Herd Mentality" thinking every time we start to beat it down we need to stop the assault and let it regain a foot-hold. As long as people are anxious to get back to normal living and go ahead and go outside when it's still risky - we're never going to get there.

It's all about relative risk. Damn right people are anxious to get back to normal living. Getting everyone vaccinated is the way to that goal.

 

Said this many times - "The only way to beat CV19 is to beat it resoundly! Half measures leaves 19 to fly back in our faces over and over again."

 

Said this many times - "The only way to beat CV19 is to beat it resoundly! Half measures leaves 19 to fly back in our faces over and over again."

Well isnt that obvious? The problem is, nobody knows how to do that yet. Right now we are betting on the vaccines. It gets even harder with all the mutations that seem to pop up pretty fast. Those little bast...s seem to know how to change fast in order to keep themselves going.

Look on the bright side. It is now believed that viruses evolved in step along side 'regular' kinds of life and that they provided the means for the good cells to eventually mutate into what we now call life on earth. So there is a possibility that viruses helped life evolve into intelligent beings like us.
So at one time they may have helped us, now they seem to be harming us. But in the long run could they be weeding out the weak and teaching us new technologies in preparation for harder times to come, noting what we have learned from this experience as terrible as it was and still is, so in the future we may be able to deal with stronger strains with the improved technology. So in that view on average anyone that survives this goes on to beat the future viruses and that can be viewed as getting more resilient. At lease one company is looking to solve other hard problems like this too with similar technology that we never had before.

To think about what could happen in the future, we can think about what happens if the ice caps keep melting. As they melt, they uncover ancient viruses that have no problem reactivating from the cold and we are not yet prepared for them. And that's only one source of a new, hard to manage virus. Who knows what else might happen along.

 

Said this many times - "The only way to beat CV19 is to beat it resoundly! Half measures leaves 19 to fly back in our faces over and over again."

We won't beat CV19 or any in the wild, highly contagious virus, we will learn to live with it using measures to contain the damage.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/cov...from-vaccination-efforts-experts-9340001.html

“Some people have gotten this idea that we’re going to get to ‘COVID zero,’” Dr. Amesh Adalja of Johns Hopkins University told me. “That’s not realistic. It’s a fantasy.”

 

Well isnt that obvious?

Apparently not to some. It takes an "ALL HANDS" approach or it doesn't work.

intelligent beings like us.

Again, some are not so "apparently intelligent".

Who knows what else might happen along.

Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. Spanish Flu taught us a couple things: First, masking and social distancing worked. Second, those who were in a hurry to get out from behind the mask and from under social distancing orders caused that flu to stick around longer.

we will learn to live with it using measures to contain the damage.

SOME will learn. Some won't. And those who don't are like passengers in a sinking life raft, sinking from water seeping in. Everybody needs to plug a hole with a finger, but some believe they have a constitutional right NOT to do so. That makes it harder for those who are trying to save their lives. Those "Constitutioners" are the ones who are responsible for many of the resurgences - or waves. They bring CV19 around those who are trying to defeat it.

We can even learn from Measles and Polio. They were basically defeated - or as you say - learn to live with it until the ANTI-VAXer's started with their "Rights". Yes, we all have rights. But we also have responsibilities. Civic responsibilities. We don't go out in public in the nude, though the human body is just another animal in the animal kingdom. And Bed Bugs - there's another plague resurging though we once had them under control. But bugs are not the same as virus'. Like I say - those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it.

 

Those "Constitutioners" are the ones who are responsible for many of the resurgences - or waves. They bring CV19 around those who are trying to defeat it.

What exactly by definition is a Constitutioner and the plural Constitutioners? I believe in the US Constituion and the Bill of Rights. I also got vaccinated as did my wife. Since the thread is about what we plan to do when the lockdown(s) are over wouldn't this type of discussion fit better in the COVID thread? As to it being over I really do not plan to wait until someone else tells me it is over and I can come out of my house and roam freely about the neighborhood. So again what is a constituioner?

Ron

 

Apparently not to some. It takes an "ALL HANDS" approach or it doesn't work.
Again, some are not so "apparently intelligent".
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Masks, social distancing and nonpharmaceutical measures are case leveling control measures until vaccination or natural immunity, not exposure case preventatives like vaccines in the eventual, end of pandemic, number of cases. Those alone were never going to stop waves from happening while the young exist and mingle (I don't think they are discussing political and rights issues while socializing at parties) in areas with community spread. The 'it's my right people' are not really the people driving the spread now, the trend was and continues to young adults infecting up the virus food chain to the elderly that get sick and die. Now that the elderly are protected with the VAX the young are the drivers of cases increasing without increasing deaths in the USA.

Get vaccinated and move on with your life.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...t-covid-19-surge-especially-michigan-n1263199

They’re young, they’re restless, and across the United States they’re driving the latest wave of Covid-19 cases.

Fed up with pandemic restrictions and lulled into a false sense of security by the increasing rate of vaccinations, coronavirus wards at local hospitals are increasingly being populated by younger, still-unvaccinated adults who've let their guard down, the nation's top public health experts are warning.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6536/eabe8372

Age groups that sustain resurging COVID-19 epidemics in the United States

Our key conclusion is that in locations where novel, highly transmissible SARS-CoV-2 lineages have not yet become established, additional interventions among adults aged 20 to 49, such as mass vaccination with transmission-blocking vaccines, could bring resurgent COVID-19 epidemics under control and avert deaths.

 

Masks, social distancing and nonpharmaceutical measures are case leveling control measures until vaccination or natural immunity, not exposure case preventatives like vaccines in the eventual, end of pandemic, number of cases. Those alone were never going to stop waves from happening while the young exist and mingle (I don't think they are discussing political and rights issues while socializing at parties) in areas with community spread. The 'it's my right people' are not really the people driving the spread now, the trend was and continues to young adults infecting up the virus food chain to the elderly that get sick and die. Now that the elderly are protected with the VAX the young are the drivers of cases increasing without increasing deaths in the USA.

Get vaccinated and move on with your life.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...t-covid-19-surge-especially-michigan-n1263199


https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6536/eabe8372

Age groups that sustain resurging COVID-19 epidemics in the United States

How many times are you willing to get vaccinated? If you are under 40, what would your thought be regarding this proposal?

I am not sure why people doubting this vaccine are labled as antivaxxers. This is the general trend that prevents having an actual discussion and shuts down any questions. Such as - is this vaccine experimental? It is. Someone was mentioning that all vaccines are experimental. Well, established vaccines that have been in use for decades are not.

And to get back on topic - i am hoping to visit my grandmother this October. But currently I see no way out of what is going on. I will not agree to taking this vaccine yearly. I am also looking forward to complete economic collapse that is coming.

 

wouldn't this type of discussion fit better in the COVID thread?

Didn't know there was one.

what is a constituioner?

We are American citizen's with constitutional rights. The "Constitutioner(s)" are those who claim the constitution gives them a "Constitutional Right" to stupidity. There's nothing in the constitution about having the right to act in a manor that puts general public health at risk. The constitution doesn't say I can't dedicate in the street - but it makes sense that we don't. The "Constitutioner's" are the ones who are using the constitution to excuse bad behavior. And my point about lifting restrictions too soon is aimed at the fact that if we keep putting HALF the fire out - the other half is going to REIGNITE it. Same is true of CV19.

Get vaccinated and move on with your life.

The vaccine IS experimental. There have been some scattered reports of a condition called "Bells Palsy" caused by the Pfizer vaccine. I got one shot of Pfizer so far. I also got Bells Palsy. It's a temporary condition that can pass in as little as two weeks or as long as six months - or longer. I will not be getting a second Pfizer shot. Instead, in a month or two, depending on how fast my condition clears up, I'll get the Moderna vaccine.

The thread is about AFTER lockdown. That implies we've done all we can and have to do to defeat the virus; or bring it under control. AFTER, not "Mid-Lockdown". We keep opening things up too fast we'll never get over this pandemic. And it's a World Wide situation. So what am I going to do AFTER the lockdown is lifted - provided it's lifted at a reasonable time - I'm going to go to all the national parks as well as state parks. Still not going to get on a cruise ship, but I won't be afraid of flying.