Nothing can start when no time has elapsed. Starting means something has happened, when 0 seconds have elapsed nothing has started. While "which comes first" appears fo have changed meaning, since it seems incontestable that electric potential exists without a circuit and current only exists with a circuit...I think there is some confusion as to what i mean when i say simultaneous.
I am not saying that current reaches it's highest point instantaneously. I am saying that current STARTS to flow as soon as voltage is applied. It is the start point, at t=0, that i am talking about, not 1ps later or 1us later although we could look at that too.
WE now have a new question, and the answer probably has something to do with the Plank Length and possibly the velocity factor.So i think we can say a voltage can exist by itself but not sure if that applies to a transistor circuit or other circuit.
In any case, and your raising of a transistor makes me wonder what you are actually thinking about. When to apply a voltage to the transistor's base, current flows with only the "delay" that is defined by whatever threshold we arbitrarily settle on. Let's just say the deal is equal to the time it takes for the first electron to move \( ℓ_p \) (1.616255(18)×10−35 m) which would happen in very close to \( 5.39×10^{-44} \) seconds. That would be one Planck Length in one Planck Second.
That current will be flowing to the base, that current is not yet flowing between collector and emitter seems entirely unrelated to the question at hand.
I must admit it is a little bit off-putting to read you saying:
when I believe you haven't presented a cohesive argument for your assertions and you reject—without relevant counterarguments—cogent objections to what you appear to be saying. It comes off as arrogant and insulting to say "you just don't understand" while from this perspective, your assertions don't have logical consistency.am starting to think now though that some people will never grasp this concept [...]
I wish you would reconsider that. At this point, I will retire from the conversation and ignore the thread.