Voltage conversion 100V to 120V

Ian0

Joined Aug 7, 2020
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More complex but less EMI than the Triac dimmer.
53C9EE5B-CE32-4619-982F-D3AAA33D6DCE.jpegA little (9 components instead of 7), but accurate. It doesn’t need an output filter, and a phase fired dimmer would.
I would not recommend this circuit if it were driving a transformer
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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Please explain how a 100 watt load on a 120 volt system will produce " generate several amps of average DC current, ". I see a bit of confusion at that point.
 

du00000001

Joined Nov 10, 2020
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A common (although obviously not widely known) trick is to put a reasonably sized capacitor in series with the kettle (aka heating resistor)
If "somebody" would use LTSpice to find out how many microfarads would be required to create a drop of eg. 20 V ?
Voltage rating of the capacitor: 200 V would be fine. (You can get away with less if you're using a self-healing type (metallized paper or metallized foil) and are not shy occasionally hearing sparkovers
 

crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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A common (although obviously not widely known) trick is to put a reasonably sized capacitor in series with the kettle (aka heating resistor)
It requires about 160uF, which could perhaps be provided by a motor run (not start) type capacitor (but they likely aren't cheap).
LTspice sim below showing a voltage at the load of 99.7Vrms:

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du00000001

Joined Nov 10, 2020
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@crutschow
Thanks for the math. So an EPCOS-TDK B32361A2157J050 (CAP FILM 150UF 5% 250VAC RADIAL) might work. It's a real bargain (ca. 30 € for single pieces @ digikey) as you get a lot of capacitor for your money: 63,5 (dia) x 123 mm, 500 g Heavy, bulky - maybe not very fancy.

Alternative:
An inductor in series. If my math holds, this would require 40 mH with a current rating of >4 A (more would be better in terms of resistive losses). These are even bulkier and heavier (basically look like a transformer with a single winding) - an example (32 mH) would be:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/triad-magnetics/C-49U/4915195
To avoid voltage spikes during switchoff, I'd add an RC and/or a transzorb diode parallel to the choke.

An autotransformer will be about the same size and weight as the choke, but even more expensive.
Example: https://www.hammfg.com/electronics/transformers/line/168
This one at least wouldn't raise concerns about voltage spikes during switchoff.
 

Ian0

Joined Aug 7, 2020
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@crutschow
Thanks for the math. So an EPCOS-TDK B32361A2157J050 (CAP FILM 150UF 5% 250VAC RADIAL) might work. It's a real bargain (ca. 30 € for single pieces @ digikey) as you get a lot of capacitor for your money: 63,5 (dia) x 123 mm, 500 g Heavy, bulky - maybe not very fancy.
But still bigger and more expensive the transformer suggested in post #2
 

du00000001

Joined Nov 10, 2020
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No.I mean post #2.
Ah - I begin to understand your idea.
While I'd expect such a transformer to be somewhat smaller (it's only 100 W), your idea relies on the secondary voltage being perfectly in phase with the primary - either 0° or 180°. Might require some phase shifting (best done on the primary side where the current is lower).
Did you ever try this trick?
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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Ah - I begin to understand your idea.
While I'd expect such a transformer to be somewhat smaller (it's only 100 W), your idea relies on the secondary voltage being perfectly in phase with the primary - either 0° or 180°. Might require some phase shifting (best done on the primary side where the current is lower).
Did you ever try this trick?
I have used the "autotransformer" scheme successfully in industrial applications, and it works quite well.
 

Ian0

Joined Aug 7, 2020
13,132
Ah - I begin to understand your idea.
While I'd expect such a transformer to be somewhat smaller (it's only 100 W), your idea relies on the secondary voltage being perfectly in phase with the primary - either 0° or 180°. Might require some phase shifting (best done on the primary side where the current is lower).
Did you ever try this trick?
It is well known, and the voltages ARE in phase. The result is almost identical to an autotransformer.
 
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