Unknown component on a door lock circuit

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k2k23

Joined Sep 15, 2023
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Hello, I'm currently troubleshooting a circuit board for a door lock unit. On the board, I've come across a component marked as S+M 474K 7361. My best guess is that this might be a low-ESR capacitor, but I'm not entirely sure due to my limited knowledge. I've tried searching for the datasheet using various prompts but haven't been able to find relevant information. Can anyone confirm the identity and purpose of this component? I greatly appreciate any assistance!
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MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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How is the door lock unit supposed to function, and how is it actually functioning? Checking components is the least efficient way to find a fault. What sort of electronic door lock is it?
 

geekoftheweek

Joined Oct 6, 2013
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I think the OP was simply asking what the device was for general knowledge and not as troubleshooting. You kind of need to know what things are in order to even begin to decide where to go next
 

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k2k23

Joined Sep 15, 2023
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A .47uf or 470nf capacitor at +/- 10%. Purpose, possibly a coupling cap but without a schematic just a guess.
Hello sghioto, thank you very much for your reply. I'm also guessing it's a coupling cap. Unfortunately, I could not find the schematic to the best of my knowledge. It's a Pneumatic System Equipment unit controlling the door lock and dome light for my 2001 Mercedes. The board is to control a vacuum pump. The cap is marked red in the figure.
 

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k2k23

Joined Sep 15, 2023
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How is the door lock unit supposed to function, and how is it actually functioning? Checking components is the least efficient way to find a fault. What sort of electronic door lock is it?
Hello MisterBill2, I totally agree it's really the least efficient way to check the components. It took me a bit of time to find some faulty diodes and ICs, but still not sure what the specs of the shown component are. The unit is for a 2001 Mercedes pneumatic system using a vacuum pump to control the door lock, alarm, and dome light. I have rebuilt the vacuum pump but the system is still not working so I started working on the circuit board.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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OK, and now that the application is known, along with the surrounding system, it is not a "simple door lock " release controller.
Given the size of the adjacent traces, it appears that it would be a 0.47 mFD capacitor. BUT, defying logic, based on the location alone, it also could be a fuse. But I doubt that.
If only one of the many functions has failed, a single relay could be suspect. Also, the driver IC, the thru-hole TD62003 located centrally in the PCB could be a reasonable suspect as it is involved with power switching.
So is there a description of the symptom of failure that might help point toward the failed component?
And if some diodes have failed, which is sort of unusual, that points toward an external cause of the failure.
 

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k2k23

Joined Sep 15, 2023
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OK, and now that the application is known, along with the surrounding system, it is not a "simple door lock " release controller.
Given the size of the adjacent traces, it appears that it would be a 0.47 mFD capacitor. BUT, defying logic, based on the location alone, it also could be a fuse. But I doubt that.
If only one of the many functions has failed, a single relay could be suspect. Also, the driver IC, the thru-hole TD62003 located centrally in the PCB could be a reasonable suspect as it is involved with power switching.
So is there a description of the symptom of failure that might help point toward the failed component?
And if some diodes have failed, which is sort of unusual, that points toward an external cause of the failure.
Hello MisterBill2, thanks again for your valuable insights and suggestions : )
Here is the symptom: The vacuum pump was initially connected to the circuit board using black and white wires. I decided to disconnect the vacuum pump from the board and tested it using a DC power supply. However, it showed reluctance to spin. So, I went ahead and replaced the motor with a new one, and when powered with a DC power supply, it worked perfectly. After that, I reattached the wires (black and white) and reinstalled the entire unit, connecting all the harnesses to the car. However, this time, the vacuum pump didn't spin at all. Consequently, I began to inspect the circuit board itself.
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As you suggested, I started checking the black NEC relay on the top left. I found that the NEC relay functioned properly when I bypassed it—by wiring external connections to the relay's pins from the bottom of the board and utilizing an external power source to activate the relay switch. In this setup, the vacuum pump could spin as intended. I'm uncertain whether this is related to what you mentioned about the driver IC, particularly the thru-hole TD62003 located at the center of the PCB. I proceeded to inspect this TD62003 IC as well as the other ICs on the board. Surprisingly, all of them had multiple pins that were shorted, in addition to the common ground pin. This discovery caught me off guard. Could it be possible that multiple ICs malfunctioned simultaneously? Regarding the "0.47 mFD capacitor," it showed around 16 ohms when tested with a multimeter (please pardon my measurement on the board for a "capacitor"; I haven't yet figured out how to desolder this properly to measure its resistance. It's a non-thru-hole component and substantially larger than a typical SMD.)
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Tonyr1084

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Two observations:
First; you directly powered the relay bypassing all controlling electronics. There's a chance that in back-feeding power you may have done damage to other components - which I can't begin to guess what they may be.
Second; the best course of wisdom is to fully diagnose the problem before you start throwing parts at it. OK, your old pump didn't work when powered but the new pump did. The failure method of the old pump may be in part responsible for other issues with the board, which may or may not explain why the new pump does not work when connected and powered through the PCB.

My suggestion is you stop applying power at various points and learn exactly how the circuitry is intended to work. I also suggest learning how to test IC's, as their outputs may be "Open Collectors", "Bi-State" outputs (high or low), testing outputs with a multimeter will not likely reveal any significant information. Some outputs may be a variable pulse modulated (PWM or Pulse Width Modulation) and a standard DVM isn't going to yield any useful information. For that you'd need an oscilloscope. At the very least you can see what the circuitry is trying to do.

How I would proceed - and I'm no expert in this - I'd start by tracing the power circuits. Identify what components do what and how they affect the control of the power. To test some components you may have to remove them from the board. STOP! Not knowing how to effectively and safely remove components may lead to damaging the PCB. What I've done in the past is to take a circuit board and turn it into a drawing showing what traces go where and through what components as well as what those components are along with their markings. Then asking for help here, others have been able to give valuable input as to what I'm looking at and why things function (or don't function) the way they were designed to. Powering a circuit mid-stream can easily lead to further damage. So if you haven't damaged it yet - stop. If you HAVE damaged it - it may be simpler and cheaper to just replace the board. I'd imagine that with the badge of "Mercedes", parts for that car will not be cheap.

One final observation: A vacuum controlled light bulb? Never heard of such a thing. An indicator of status of the vacuum - that I can imagine. For us to be of help we need to fully understand the aspects of the project at hand before we can offer any real world advice on how to proceed.

Good luck.
 

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k2k23

Joined Sep 15, 2023
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Two observations:
First; you directly powered the relay bypassing all controlling electronics. There's a chance that in back-feeding power you may have done damage to other components - which I can't begin to guess what they may be.
Second; the best course of wisdom is to fully diagnose the problem before you start throwing parts at it. OK, your old pump didn't work when powered but the new pump did. The failure method of the old pump may be in part responsible for other issues with the board, which may or may not explain why the new pump does not work when connected and powered through the PCB.

My suggestion is you stop applying power at various points and learn exactly how the circuitry is intended to work. I also suggest learning how to test IC's, as their outputs may be "Open Collectors", "Bi-State" outputs (high or low), testing outputs with a multimeter will not likely reveal any significant information. Some outputs may be a variable pulse modulated (PWM or Pulse Width Modulation) and a standard DVM isn't going to yield any useful information. For that you'd need an oscilloscope. At the very least you can see what the circuitry is trying to do.

How I would proceed - and I'm no expert in this - I'd start by tracing the power circuits. Identify what components do what and how they affect the control of the power. To test some components you may have to remove them from the board. STOP! Not knowing how to effectively and safely remove components may lead to damaging the PCB. What I've done in the past is to take a circuit board and turn it into a drawing showing what traces go where and through what components as well as what those components are along with their markings. Then asking for help here, others have been able to give valuable input as to what I'm looking at and why things function (or don't function) the way they were designed to. Powering a circuit mid-stream can easily lead to further damage. So if you haven't damaged it yet - stop. If you HAVE damaged it - it may be simpler and cheaper to just replace the board. I'd imagine that with the badge of "Mercedes", parts for that car will not be cheap.

One final observation: A vacuum-controlled light bulb? Never heard of such a thing. An indicator of status of the vacuum - that I can imagine. For us to be of help we need to fully understand the aspects of the project at hand before we can offer any real-world advice on how to proceed.

Good luck.
Hi Tonyr1084, really appreciated your suggestions! I found people here to be very knowledgeable and helpful. I'm thoroughly enjoying being a part of this community. Regarding this project, I view it as a fantastic chance to really learn how the circuitry is intended to work. Although I took a basic electronics class a long time ago for my undergraduate, I've come to realize that my knowledge is somewhat limited when it comes to dealing with a commercial circuit board, especially in the absence of specific diagrams or relevant documentation.

Could you recommend learning materials related to tracing a power circuit and testing ICs? I'm very excited about learning what you suggested, so I can get better advice on this project from amazing people here. Thanks in advance for your kind help.

The circuit board also controls the dome light in the car when opening or closing the doors, I believe it has nothing to do with the vacuum pump itself. From my understanding, the vacuum pump is activated and provides a suction to lock the door automatically when:
1. Press the lock button on the fob
2. Press the lock button inside the car
3. Start driving
 
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