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ApacheKid

ApacheKid

Joined Jan 12, 2015
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cmartinez said:
I would only add to your dissertation that the Chinese government is brazenly complicit in many of those dishonest affairs.
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We are instructed to not heatedly discuss politics, routinely condemning "China" is geopolitics. Yes China has many troubling traits, but many other states also do, including the United States. It has been stated by moderators that discussion of Israel won't be tolerated, so I'd argue that this prohibition should also apply to China and other states.

As I've already said, China is not bombing other nations, it has never carried out a terrorist bombing in the US, it has never attacked US citizens, the Chinese community here has always been passive, it's human rights ranking is better than Israel, it's homicide rate per capita is better than the US.

Your condemnation of foreign regimes is selective, subjective and laced with prejudice.
 
cmartinez

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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That's a subject that has long been on my mind. I believe that some surveillance is absolutely necessary in order to be able to enforce law and order. I just keep wondering where society (and individuals, of course) should draw the line ...
 
joeyd999

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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cmartinez said:
That's a subject that has long been on my mind. I believe that some surveillance is absolutely necessary in order to be able to enforce law and order. I just keep wondering where society (and individuals, of course) should draw the line ...
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And I believe free, law-abiding humans should be left to pursue their lives unfettered and unsurveilled.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~BF
 
nsaspook

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cmartinez said:
That's a subject that has long been on my mind. I believe that some surveillance is absolutely necessary in order to be able to enforce law and order. I just keep wondering where society (and individuals, of course) should draw the line ...
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The way to enforce law and order is by real accountability on those caught (most are caught the old fashioned, being a stupid criminal way). We have catch and release today that makes mass surveillance a bad joke. Surveillance is nearly always only useful after the fact a crime has been committed and most surveillance goes into the bit-bucket because the level of crime makes it too costly to act in the vast majority of cases.

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ApacheKid

ApacheKid

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nsaspook said:
The FBI is supposed to tell the person that you’re going to RAID their home ahead of time? Lawyers. :rolleyes:
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She should have said something like this:

"I don’t want anybody looking, I don’t want anybody looking through my boxes, I really don’t, I don’t want you looking through my boxes," XXXX allegedly said, according to the indictment, which noted that one of the attorneys had "memorialized" XXXX's statements.
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