I can assert my own personal experience of that generally being bull-crap.

On the contrary! Over three decades' documentation to the contrary 'don't lie' -- especially as profit and liability favor 'gravitation' towards the best solution and hence the truth! --- 'though I will concede that '98 pound weakling' was a bit hyperbolic on my part-- Better said: '98 pound non-weakling'

Of course what it really comes down to is unwillingness on the part of public officials to train LE personal to 'special forces' standards... That said, a bullet in the back seems a bit much -- even in a 'you get what you pay for' paradigm...

Best regards
HP

 

Politics kill...

There are certain things which are beyond politics. If we could only learn to use them to out advantage and not argue which is better:

as a woman tech, my handtight does not equal to handtight of my male co-workers. However, my manual dexterity and ability to get into tight spaces and reach hidden areas is superior. Which of this is discrimination?

 

The problem you describe is a political one. It wasn't until recently that they allowed the fairer sex to compete for those positions that demanded a higher physical readiness.

Read Ashley's war. Even though she volunteered for what was legally a support position, she had to train hard to provide that support as she was at the point of the spear, gathering Intel from advance women.

In earlier times, Congress did not accept that some protected classes were incapable of doing the job, all the wanted was to fulfill the EEOC standards. So some standards were changed for women.

Now, no one in the equality crowd complained about the different standards, so it became the norm, with the last holdout on same standards were the combat operations.

I have been of the belief that if they can do the job, good for them. If a white, black, tan, yellow, or polka dotted person cant hack the mission, they need to seek other employment.

Others don't share my opine, especially those testifying before congress and their next promotion is approved by the Senate.

Why did OSHA set the standard for one person carry at 50 pounds?

FWIW - I don't view this as a debate on gender equality (after all there are plenty small, non-athletic men on the 'force' as well) -- but, rather, people using gender as an excuse for inept police work and, indeed, as per the case in point, homicide...
As I see it identity politics is the oft employed 'blind' of government apologists! -- What we have here is a matter of a police officer shooting an unarmed subject in the back - Neither gender, age, race, religion nor, for that matter, the part of her hair has any bearing on it...

Best regards
HP

 

Unfortunately the body politics is in every action done.

Wonderlic testing and it's recommendations, sound or otherwise, leads to the perception of the intelligence of police officers.

It's been that way since the government gave standardize tests sponsored by the DOD.

 

Politics kill...

Indeed! -- Nor, in my opinion, does political discussion have any place whatever on this site! - 'tho I seem to reside in a bit of a 'glass house' on that score

Best regards
HP

 

Wonderlic testing and it's recommendations, sound or otherwise, leads to the perception of the intelligence of police officers.

--Emphasis added--

Say what!? --- I dunno what 'Wonderlic' is but I can tell ya - it ain't working around here!

TTFN
HP

 

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/court-police-departments-refuse-hire-smart/

Wonderlic testing ... Political decisions ...

 

On the contrary! Over three decades' documentation to the contrary 'don't lie' -- especially as profit and liability favor 'gravitation' towards the best solution and hence the truth! --- 'though I will concede that '98 pound weakling' was a bit hyperbolic on my part-- Better said: '98 pound non-weakling'

Rent a cops vs real cops or in my case the military. I had a patrol partner in the 70's Guam named Sam (big Polynesian guy). His 'gravitation' solution for the fighting '98+ pound non-weakling' was to pick them up like a rag doll and throw them across the room.

 

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/court-police-departments-refuse-hire-smart/

Wonderlic testing ... Political decisions ...

US Court Says it’s Okay for Police Departments to Refuse to Hire Someone who is Too Smart

Aye! That would explain it!

Best regards
HP

 

Rent a cops vs real cops or in my case the military. I had a patrol partner in the 70's Guam named Sam (big Polynesian guy). His 'gravitation' solution for the fighting '98+ pound non-weakling' was to pick them up like a rag doll and throw them across the room.

Aye! But getting hold of them in the first place is the 'trick'! --- Each combatant must play their strong suit - A 98 pound (whatever) who attempts to wrestle a 'big guy' deserves to be tossed across the room! -- Ever watch a mongoose take on a Cobra? - Neither have I but my point remains...

Best regards
HP

 

Why didn't they try to deescalate?
Primary because of risk aversion. If you won't drop a loaded gun with at least four cops pointing guns at you then I would seriously question that subjects ability to make rational decision of life and death if you left them alone.

You can say that, but I think they hire cowboys and teach them to force compliance.
I always think back to Rodney King and the mob mentality.
Do you think we would have heard about it without the video?

But it is not so easy to cover it up now-days.

Why not release all the video?
I would assume chain of custody issues in the beginning. I would release it as soon as legally possible.

Next thing we will hear is how they were doctored.

 

But it is not so easy to cover it up now-days.

Next thing we will hear is how they were doctored.

The LAPD was a police gang in those days. Even other police departments hated them.

 

If the video doesn't include five minutes prior to the incident, we don't get the context. This includes the Rodney king video.

 

Aye! But getting hold of them in the first place is the 'trick'! --- Each combatant must play their strong suit - A 98 pound (whatever) who attempts to wrestle a 'big guy' deserves to be tossed across the room! -- Ever watch a mongoose take on a Cobra? - Neither have I but my point remains...

Best regards
HP

Now this 'lady' might give my pal Sam a little trouble.

 

police should be disbanded and volunteer community patrols put in place.

I actually think that's the way to go: each community determines its own degrees of law enforcement and funds its own efforts there - however they decide to do it.

I'm 120% for it. and it is the only way to shut up those angels.

 

If the video doesn't include five minutes prior to the incident, we don't get the context. This includes the Rodney king video.

Yes. And why is there no video recording from 4+ officers for the duration of the conflict? I can tell you why - same reason none of my colleagues turn the spot tracker in their work vehicle even though it is there for their own safety.

So now there is a police video that raises more questions... if he posed an immediate threat, it would have been to the officer he was facing, presumably holding a gun in his left hand, so why was he shot by the other officers? I would have a lot of questions if I was investigating this...

 

Of course what it really comes down to is unwillingness on the part of public officials to train LE personal to 'special forces' standards

Maybe that's a bit much, but the most dangerous person behind a gun is a coward.
Good training causes a calm in the moment because you know your last chance of survival is not your pistol.

If the video doesn't include five minutes prior to the incident, we don't get the context.

Irrelevant. What somebody did 5 minutes ago or 5 years ago has nothing to do with the last 5 seconds.
The only reason to kill a person is in the moment you do it.

 

f=ma

The dark alley situation

I did train on SAMBO (first link) fora bit and it is like judo modified for self-d dense teaching you to use your weight to your advantage and opponents weight to his disadvantage.

 

Yes. And why is there no video recording from 4+ officers for the duration of the conflict? I can tell you why - same reason none of my colleagues turn the spot tracker in their work vehicle even though it is there for their own safety.

So now there is a police video that raises more questions... if he posed an immediate threat, it would have been to the officer he was facing, presumably holding a gun in his left hand, so why was he shot by the other officers? I would have a lot of questions if I was investigating this...

The first thing you need to do is to have the basic facts right.
He was only shot by the one black undercover officer telling to him to put the gun down, the other officers did not shoot.

 

f=ma
I did train on SAMBO (first link) fora bit and it is like judo modified for self-d dense teaching you to use your weight to your advantage and opponents weight to his disadvantage.

Your video simply demonstrates why cops shoot when they do with a possibly armed or ready to attack subject. You have to stay ahead of your attack reaction time or be killed.