Holster on ANKLE after shooting.
It took me three looks because I was looking for a holster at waist level or thigh level where he could reach it while standing straight up and facing away from the officer.

So we agree now this was not a 'drop' gun?

 

ah yes, suicide by cop. I hope cops are proud that they are the ultimate weapon...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/06/suicide-by-cop-the-counted

p.s. just to clarify - I should NOT walk around a police station with a fork, as no self respecting police officer will let me get that close to them with a deadly weapon

 

ah yes, suicide by cop. I hope cops are proud that they are the ultimate weapon...

That's a pretty nasty thing to say about people who are usually risking their lives trying to stop a person from suicide.

From your list:
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamas...ies_in_officer-involved_s.html#incart_m-rpt-1

http://www.kptv.com/story/28114807/emergency-crews-respond-to-officer-involved-shooting-in-colton

 

So we agree now this was not a 'drop' gun?

You're the person who keeps saying, "drop gun". I just see the videos of a man facing away from the policeman who shot him.

 

maybe you should read the article...

 

You're the person who keeps saying, "drop gun". I just see the videos of a man facing away from the policeman who shot him.

Yes, I do because that was a popular anti-cop 'narrative' before the loopholes were closed by evidence released by the public and the police.
http://ijr.com/2016/09/699825-one-m...-the-keith-lamont-scott-video-wheres-the-gun/
That was after "it was a book not a gun" lets go riot.

 

maybe you should read the article...

Old news to me.

 

ah yes, suicide by cop. I hope cops are proud that they are the ultimate weapon...

Not hard to find some of those.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...el-cops-previously-suicidal-article-1.2376672
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/christian-alberto-sierra/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/28/man-calls-suicide-line-police-kill-him.html

 

and now for something completely different:

https://www.policeone.com/suicide-b...-officer-fired-for-not-shooting-at-armed-man/

yep, he tried to help someone suicidal... fired for following conmon sense de-escalation protocols

 

and now for something completely different:

https://www.policeone.com/suicide-b...-officer-fired-for-not-shooting-at-armed-man/

yep, he tried to help someone suicidal... fired for following conmon sense de-escalation protocols

That really sucks, he wasn't the ultimate weapon... and was fired because of it.

 

The line after the headline....

Officials said Stephen Mader put two other officers in danger by not shooting Ronald D. Williams Jr., who was armed.

Placing others in danger is what got him fired.

So, will all the naysayers come up with a rock-solid training program for the police or are we just going the speculate what "should" be done. I have a problem because since I wasn't "on scene" and didn't see all the interactions between the officers and the suspect, I can not formulate a good opinion. I have to wait for the investigation report.

If there is one thing I’ve learned about media firestorms in the modern age of one-hour news cycles and 15-second attention spans, it’s that whoever tells the first story which the news media likes is the “winner.” Once the narrative is set in stone (when the news media works in unison that takes about two days, tops), the truth will face a battle that is severely uphill, into the wind, on ice, and will almost never prevail.
---John Ziegler July 2016

 

The line after the headline....

Officials said Stephen Mader put two other officers in danger by not shooting Ronald D. Williams Jr., who was armed.

Placing others in danger is what got him fired.

So, will all the naysayers come up with a rock-solid training program for the police or are we just going the speculate what "should" be done. I have a problem because since I wasn't "on scene" and didn't see all the interactions between the officers and the suspect, I can not formulate a good opinion. I have to wait for the investigation report.

If there is one thing I’ve learned about media firestorms in the modern age of one-hour news cycles and 15-second attention spans, it’s that whoever tells the first story which the news media likes is the “winner.” Once the narrative is set in stone (when the news media works in unison that takes about two days, tops), the truth will face a battle that is severely uphill, into the wind, on ice, and will almost never prevail.
---John Ziegler July 2016

Sure, only this would require the police to actually use their brain...

https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/police-training-illinois-model-fix-us-police

 

Placing others in danger is what got him fired.

The story I read is that one cop arrived and was in the process of talking the man down because he read the situation as, "not life threatening" when two other officers burst on the scene and capped his ass without hesitation. Then they found out the pistol had no bullets in it.

The first officer had endangered the two cops who weren't there by not immediately killing the man with no bullets.
Bad cop!
Can't be allowed on the Force.
He has a proven propensity to de-escalate.

 

If she was by her lonesome with the guy charging with only his bare hands I would agree

--Emphasis added--

And I would disagree! One unskilled/deficient at personal combat has no business whatever in 'active duty' law enforcement! -- There is very little more dangerous than an otherwise helpless person cowering back of a firearm! Enfeeblement and/or cowardice are hardly defenses for 'homicide' -- by any name! --- More generally, I would remind some (other) participants on this thread that law enforcement is a voluntary occupation! -- Clearly! Recruiting (with emphasis upon ostensibly 'comprehensive' psychological screening) has much to answer for!

IMO 'Fixing law enforcement's image' is as simple as holding LEOs to (at least) the selfsame standards applied to 'civilians' as regards pleas of 'self defense' -- not merely by statute but in practice ! -- This includes parity in 'charging' and sentencing!

Best regards
HP

 

the 'saddest' trend in US society is the ever increasing level of polarization -- with corollary 'conquest by division' of the populace

the deplorables must be responsible for that.

 

In case you missed it:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/gwi...aders-during-gwinnett-home-invasion/448984282

I wonder if the outcome is better for the woman, had it happened in a gun free zone.

Two tidbits:

1) the home owner said that she called 911 but no one picked up; 11 minutes after the shooting, police showed up;
2) the family of one of the 'yet to be identified' "victims" filed a lawsuit against the homeowner saying that their angel was just "visiting" the homeowner's house when he was fired at. He was 'yet to be identified' until his family fired the lawsuit, obviously.

 

--Emphasis added--

And I would disagree! One unskilled/deficient at personal combat has no business whatever in 'active duty' law enforcement! -- There is very little more dangerous than an otherwise helpless person cowering back of a firearm! Enfeeblement and/or cowardice are hardly defenses for 'homicide' -- by any name! --- More generally, I would remind some (other) participants on this thread that law enforcement is a voluntary occupation! -- Clearly! Recruiting (with emphasis upon ostensibly 'comprehensive' psychological screening) has much to answer for!

IMO 'Fixing law enforcement's image' is as simple as holding LEOs to (at least) the selfsame standards applied to 'civilians' as regards pleas of 'self defense' -- not merely by statute but in practice ! -- This includes parity in 'charging' and sentencing!

Best regards
HP

The female to male physical attributes can't be ignored by cops or 'civilians' when force is used. F=ma is king unless you're a Kung-Fu master who can reduce the force delta to something manageable. The gun is the equalizer. Law enforcement is a voluntary occupation but the current EEOC requirements for government law enforcement employees are not voluntary.

 

Clean your eyes.

This is from the wifes video.

Another clip of the cops standing over the gun. See how his foot is guarding the gun in the crime scene.

I think that was later pointed out to be a glove dropped, or thrown down by the guy in the olive pants. You can see him putting on the other one in the last picture. I guess gloves are procedure. You can also see the guy in red stick it in his back pocket later. If it was a gun it was a rubber one.

 

the deplorables must be responsible for that.

Luckily only 1/4 of the people are deplorable.

 

The wife yelling "don't you do it" to him caught my attention. She must have known what he was thinking.