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joeyd999

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Yes, such speculations are common on the fringes of science, what attracts you to the "theory"?
With respect to this particular conversion, it attempts to provide an explanation as to why and how, as you say, "...it [the universe] changes state over time."

In general, I like to listen to people who think. Especially those who think outside "established" doctrine.

The fringe is where advances come from.
 

Futurist

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With respect to this particular conversion, it attempts to provide an explanation as to why and how, as you say, "...it [the universe] changes state over time."
Does the "theory" make any testable predictions? because if not then it really can't be referred to as a theory.

In general, I like to listen to people who think. Especially those who think outside "established" doctrine.

The fringe is where advances come from.
Me too, I admire those who question orthodoxy and dogma but metaphysics should never be mistaken for physics.
 

Futurist

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And here's some fun related philosophy I recently discovered:

https://www.dongaconnet.com/post/the-law-of-identity
Word salad, did Musk write it?

The point I was referring to about the universe is basically the universe cannot explain the presence of the universe, a thing cannot explain it's own existence, we must look to external causes.

Science explains change not existence, science explains that that exists already, it cannot explain the universe's existence, science cannot explain the existence of laws of nature because all scientific explains require laws in order to even express explanations.

Therefore the explanation for our universe cannot be a scientific explanation.
 
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Futurist

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Well, no. But what is it with you and the personal attacks?

Who hurt you?
I have zero respect for Musk, he's arguably a charlatan, his personal contribution to space engineering or electric car engineering is zero. Yet he is lauded by people who should know better, young minds pick this up and believe what these people tell them about Musk, the scientist, the inventor, the innovator - he is none of those things - he is just rich.

He has become a personality cult, a prudent venture capitalist but that's about it really, some people might need a Musk in their life, I do not.

His ridiculous waffle about Mars should be ridiculed by anyone with even basic science knowledge, but sadly no, many adults who should know better care not for his abuse of science because they are in awe of his wealth and therefore anything he says is fine, be it true or false.

So yes I think its appropriate to attack such highly public people who routinely attack others and attack science and truth.

One doesn't need to be "hurt" to express disapproval of such people.
 

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joeyd999

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I have zero respect for Musk, he's arguably a charlatan, his personal contribution to space engineering or electric car engineering is zero. Yet he is lauded by people who should know better, young minds pick this up and believe what these people tell them about Musk, the scientist, the inventor, the innovator - he is none of those things - he is just rich.

He has become a personality cult, a prudent venture capitalist but that's about it really, some people might need a Musk in their life, I do not.

His ridiculous waffle about Mars should be ridiculed by anyone with even basic science knowledge, but sadly no, many adults who should know better care not for his abuse of science because they are in awe of his wealth and therefore anything he says is fine, be it true or false.

So yes I think its appropriate to attack such highly public people who routinely attack others and attack science and truth.

One doesn't need to be "hurt" to express disapproval of such people.
Fine. Have an opinion.

But...

"Word salad, did Musk write it?"

...is not a rational argument. It just makes you sound stupid, or injured, or both.
 

Futurist

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Unlike socialism, there are ways to clean one's house without the use of highly toxic chemicals, including lead.
As I've said before, it is rare for me to meet an American who actually knows what the word "socialism" means, it is (like "communism") used to scare people.

I just stumbled upon this, an American who does understand what it means:

 

WBahn

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As I've said before, it is rare for me to meet an American who actually knows what the word "socialism" means, it is (like "communism") used to scare people.

I just stumbled upon this, an American who does understand what it means:

A lot depends on whether you are talking about some mythical ivory-tower utopian universe or whether you are talking about in the practical real world where people actually live and interact. Like "capitalism", there are no societies that are truly "socialist". Every country is a mix of various political philosophies, with some aspects being more socialist, others being more capitalist. Similarly, there aren't any countries that are pure democracies, nor are there any countries that are pure totalitarian states.
 

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joeyd999

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But as the man explained Britain isn't socialist or communist. It has free markets, private ownership, private property, a stock market. The silly labels "socialist" and "communist" are designed to scare people, and evidently some do get scared.
Conscious awareness and avoidance of evil is not fear.

Do you fear poison? Or are you knowledgabe enough to just avoid it?
 

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joeyd999

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Yes I fear dangers that are real, not imaginary demons.
Over 100 million humans were exterminated by your imaginary demons in the 20th century, many of whom thought socialism was a pretty neat idea until they themselves were lined up against the wall.

You may continue to expound here on the wonderful ideas of your leftist, statist, collectivist ideologies -- as long as the moderators allow it. This is my last response.
 
Over 100 million humans were exterminated by your imaginary demons in the 20th century, many of whom thought socialism was a pretty neat idea until they themselves were lined up against the wall.

You may continue to expound here on the wonderful ideas of your leftist, statist, collectivist ideologies -- as long as the moderators allow it. This is my last response.
I was not expounding, I was pointing out that Britain is not a socialist or communist country and stuff like nationalized health care, employment protection, legislated paid leave etc are nothing whatsover to do with socialism or communism as the American gentleman in that video explained.

Yet whenever these aspects of other nations (Britain, France etc) are mentioned the knee jerk reaction "Ahh look communists!!" soon emerges, that's fear mongering, and it's that way because investors want people to be scared because scared people are pliable and easily manipulated.

The fact that Stalin oversaw the slaughter of millions is not a very good argument against national health care, nor is it the case that mass slaughter is only carried out by communist ideologies, fascist and monarchies and democracies all have examples of mass slaughter.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, that's the end of it.
 
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