Unlike socialism, there are ways to clean one's house without the use of highly toxic chemicals, including lead.

That was exactly my point.

A great idea, without the means of implementing it without the toxins.

 

A great idea...

We will disagree on this particular point.

 

That was exactly my point.

A great idea, without the means of implementing it without the toxins.

My dad used to say that Socialism and/or Communism was a wonderful idea, except that it ignored two factors that made it an unworkable and horrible idea: Human greed and human pride.

 

Human greed and human pride.

Correction: human life.

 

Correction: human life.

That does nothing to provide insight into the mechanism.

 

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That does nothing to provide insight into the mechanism.

Sure it does: "greed" -- the desire to keep the product of one's labor, and "pride" -- self-esteem -- the belief that one deserves to keep it. Both are moral virtues in support of one's life.

 

I think it was Arthur C Clarke that once wrote something like: "Socialism is a great idea for ants and bees ... for humans, not so much."

 

Sure it does: "greed" -- the desire to keep the product of one's labor, and "pride" -- self-esteem -- the belief that one deserves to keep it. Both are moral virtues in support of one's life.

The terms "greed" and "pride" are what provide the description and explanation. Just saying "life" is nearly as meaningless as saying , "because". It's a catchall that covers everything and specifies nothing. Why do you need a car? "Because." Why do you need a computer, "Life." Why do you want to major in modern dance? "Life." Why don't you exercise more? "Because."

 

The terms "greed" and "pride" are what provide the description and explanation. Just saying "life" is nearly as meaningless as saying , "because". It's a catchall that covers everything and specifies nothing. Why do you need a car? "Because." Why do you need a computer, "Life." Why do you want to major in modern dance? "Life." Why don't you exercise more? "Because."

I'm one who -- philosophically -- considers one's own life the primary value, and the actions one chooses to support it as primary virtues. (And, no, that doesn't mean stealing food from someone else to feed myself is a virtue.)

Life without action in its favor (either through choice or compulsion) is not life, but anti-life.

Socialism is anti-life.

 

I'm one who -- philosophically -- considers one's own life the primary value, and the actions one chooses to support it as primary virtues. (And, no, that doesn't mean stealing food from someone else to feed myself is a virtue.)

Life without action in its favor (either through choice or compulsion) is not life, but anti-life.

Socialism is anti-life.

Again, saying that something is anti-life sheds zero insight into why, let alone establishing that it's actually true -- it is merely a platitude without meaning. It has exactly the same value as saying that watching television or eating sugar is anti-life. It has exactly as much value as someone saying that capitalism is anti-life -- namely none.

But I'm not going to go further down yet another one of your rabbit holes.

 

I'm one who -- philosophically -- considers one's own life the primary value, and the actions one chooses to support it as primary virtues. (And, no, that doesn't mean stealing food from someone else to feed myself is a virtue.)

That's known as "selfishness", a common attitude.

Life without action in its favor (either through choice or compulsion) is not life, but anti-life.

Socialism is anti-life.

What "action" did you perform to bring yourself into existence?

You did nothing to deserve what you have, your very existence, abilities, skills cannot be attributed to yourself, your very existence is unearned, a gift, socialism if you will. You've been given your existence, you did nothing to earn or deserve it, think about that.

Did you create yourself? can you take credit for your own physical and intellectual gifts?

It astonishes me how some congratulate themselves for accomplishments, which are just things they were actually given freely, unearned, that's philosophical.

 

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"selfishness"...

...rational self-interest.

 

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...rational self-interest.

No answers to the questions you were asked, as usual.

 

What "action" did you perform to bring yourself into existence?

The answer to that can make for an interesting debate.

If you believe life begins at conception, you can make the case that you were gifted your life, and had nothing to do with it.

If you believe instead that conception extends life, then you can make the case that as an extension of your parents that you did in fact preform an action that brought you into existence.

 

The answer to that can make for an interesting debate.

If you believe life begins at conception, you can make the case that you were gifted your life, and had nothing to do with it.

If you believe instead that conception extends life, then you can make the case that as an extension of your parents that you did in fact preform an action that brought you into existence.

Yes, these are interesting ideas, philosophy is rich in such dilemmas. But in each case you cite, the being produced played no part in its own presence, someone/something else caused them to begin to exist. Technically none of us deserve credit for our accomplishments, because our very ability to accomplish was freely given to us.

 

Technically none of us deserve credit for our accomplishments, because our very ability to accomplish was freely given to us.

Technically, it was traded for a fun romp in the sheets.

 

Yes, these are interesting ideas, philosophy is rich in such dilemmas. But in each case you cite, the being produced played no part in its own presence, someone/something else caused them to begin to exist. Technically none of us deserve credit for our accomplishments, because our very ability to accomplish was freely given to us.

Yes, given to us by the great creator of life known as the universe.

My ability to accomplish was forged over many eons of evolution unfolding as the great struggle to survive.

 

Yes, given to us by the great creator of life known as the universe.

I don't think the universe creates anything, it just changes state over time.

My ability to accomplish was forged over many eons of evolution unfolding as the great struggle to survive.

The term "evolution" means different things to different people.

 

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