the doctor that first came up with the chloroquine, Z-pack cocktail is well known in France. His results came from a 6 person trial!

If it works, it works - or not! - Only trials, time and 'hard' statistics will tell! -- Patience!

In the meantime, patients with little to lose --once having been advised of the risks-- should be allowed consent to said treatment. -- Please bear in mind that, inasmuch as the pharmaceuticals in question have been in wide use for many decades, the 'side effects', adverse reactions and contraindications are well documented. Which is not to say such is (necessarily) an effective treatment for 'Covid-19', but merely, that the risks posed by the drugs themselves are well understood...

He also has refuted Darwinism evolution as a false narrative.

A perusal of history will show that many lauded scientists/investigators (e.g. Einstein, Tesla, Newton, Pauling and even Euler -- to cite but a few) - in addition to their genuinely prodigious insight and achievement likewise harbored several 'fringe' (including more than a few demonstrably 'just plain wrong') views... --Genius, Insight and imagination might fairly be said to be indivisible 'handmaidens' - to the self-same extent that the latter is a 'double edged sword'...

On a lighter note...
As Re: Anti-Darwinism? I must say there is something rather appealing in a doctrine wherin I am relived of regarding myself as a "monkey's niece"

Very best regards
HP

 

Yes, but. That’s not the way our world works. Everybody gets a ticket to Disneyland with all kinds of disclaimers on the back. But when they get killed after jumping off the ride, their relatives will sue for millions.
And yes, the side effects are well documented at the prescribed dosage levels. The main side effect is blindness from damage to the retina.
So what dosages are we using for Covid patients?
All these people, like the POTUS who believe in magic pills are not helping. Consider the new headline next month “Millions Blinded By Covid Pills”. Internet experts and conspiracy theorists have no place in the discussion.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog

 

Yes, but. That’s not the way our world works. Everybody gets a ticket to Disneyland with all kinds of disclaimers on the back. But when they get killed after jumping off the ride, their relatives will sue for millions.
And yes, the side effects are well documented at the prescribed dosage levels. The main side effect is blindness from damage to the retina.
So what dosages are we using for Covid patients?
All these people, like the POTUS who believe in magic pills are not helping. Consider the new headline next month “Millions Blinded By Covid Pills”. Internet experts and conspiracy theorists have no place in the discussion.

Nobody's promoting said treatment as a 'magic pill'

Again:

If it works, it works - or not! - Only trials, time and 'hard' statistics will tell!

And:

In the meantime, patients with little to lose --once having been advised of the risks-- should be allowed consent to said treatment.

And yes, the side effects are well documented at the prescribed dosage levels. The main side effect is blindness from damage to the retina.

In point of fact, liability to retinal damage (and, to a lesser extent, permanient injury to the second and eighth cranial nerves) represents far greater risk corollary to treatment with quinine itself than that seen with 'derivatives' thereof... Even so, some risk does, of course, exist...

So what dosages are we using for Covid patients?

While I ignore the precise loading and maintenance dosages involved - It is, nonetheless, my understanding that (as regards the off-label use under discussion) the dosage/course duration (i.e. 'exposure', if you will) is significantly lower than that typically associated with liability to said damage...

Yes, but. That’s not the way our world works. Everybody gets a ticket to Disneyland with all kinds of disclaimers on the back. But when they get killed after jumping off the ride, their relatives will sue for millions.

That the 'tort system' is (and has long been) hopelessly 'broken' is a matter beyond argument --- That such should impinge upon competent individuals' ability to make informed decisions in regards to their own life/death/exposure to risk of disability - is nothing short of appalling!

people, like the POTUS who believe in magic pills are not helping.

May we leave politics out of it? Please? --- The on-going trials will determine the efficacy/safety of the treatment under study -- sans political 'affiliation'...

To be clear! I am advocating neither the efficacy nor the safety of said treatment! -- Merely maintaining an open mind pending 'hard' data


With genuine respect and very best regards
HP

 

Haha

 

If it works, it works - or not! - Only trials, time and 'hard' statistics will tell!

So your saying antibacterials work on viruses? And I have a sister in law with Lupus, she is on hydroxyclhloroquine(HC), be for being put on it her doctor put her through a battery of test to make sure she didn't have an under lying condition that would be harmed by the drug. Don't know what the tests were for but do know just taking HC with out the testing was something her doctor was concerned about.

Some one in power telling people to ask their doctor for the drug or drug cocktail without hard facts and statistics isn't accepted at any other time so why now?

!Disclaimer! No politicians were harmed in the posting or writing of this.

 

Some one in power telling people to ask their doctor for the drug or drug cocktail without hard facts and statistics isn't accepted at any other time so why now?

The possibility of massive Pandemic death on a global scale might be one reason.

 

So your saying antibacterials work on viruses?

No, I'm saying off-label applications of pharmaceuticals are occasionally (personally, I would say often) with merit...

just taking HC with out the testing was something her doctor was concerned about.

And with good reason!

Some one in power telling people to ask their doctor for the drug or drug cocktail without hard facts and statistics isn't accepted at any other time so why now?

I am unaware of 'bullying' of the healthcare community by the executive branch -- but fully concur with your assertion that such --if a 'factor' in patient care-- is unacceptable...

Some one in power telling people to ask their doctor for the drug or drug cocktail without hard facts and statistics isn't accepted at any other time so why now?

It is my stance that anyone with 'nothing to lose' has the moral 'right' to request (nay demand) 'off-label' treatment to the end of salvation of life or ability...

!Disclaimer! No politicians were harmed in the posting or writing of this.

Fair enough! Nonetheless I ask you to view the situation sans influence of politics - then ask yourself if you should have the right to direct your care in an otherwise 'dead end' situation?

@shortbus despite our past (heated, albeit, in the context of the current crises, trivial) differences, I believe we're 'on the same page' Re: basal human rights!

Sincerely, good health and very best regards
HP

 

The possibility of massive Pandemic death on a global scale might be one reason.

And those that are taking it and dying without getting Covid, will never be listed in the Covid dead. The drug is NOT without it's downsides.

 

Nonetheless I ask you to view the situation sans influence of politics -

Believe it or not politics has nothing to do with my thinking on this. There are doctors, that should know better in my area that will prescribe Keflex, Zpack and other antibiotics to patients that have a common cold. That is my problem. And the wee beasties just keep getting smarter and immune to antibiotics. I have a wife ,who I love dearly, that is on dialysis and don't want her to get struck down by one of the immune bacteria.

 

And those that are taking it and dying without getting Covid, will never be listed in the Covid dead. The drug is NOT without it's downsides.

People overdose from aspirin.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
Albert Einstein

 

Great quote.

 

Believe it or not politics has nothing to do with my thinking on this.

But then, in your earlier post:

Some one in power telling people to ask their doctor for the drug or drug cocktail without hard facts...

---EMPHASIS ADDED---

Hence my perception of veiled political commentary.

There are doctors, that should know better in my area...

Exactly! The trouble (when it occurs) is principally to do with unethical providers (e.g. those 'in bed' with 'Big Pharma', 'too 'busy' to argue with [i.e. educate] the patient, etc) as well as a culture wherein patients are encouraged in their refusal to think for themselves...
Indeed! The fact that the majority of people are better versed with the 'inner workings' of their automobiles than those of their own bodies has never ceased to amaze me!

That said, please rest assured that I too am appalled that 'caveat emptor' should be applicable to healthcare -- but there it is

Very best regards
HP

 

People overdose from aspirin.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
Albert Einstein

Yebut the universe was known to be finite (albeit expanding) during Einstein's time -- Perhaps he was referring to (potential) space?

As Re: human stupidity? Spot on!

TTFN
HP

 

These guys will really be in lockdown.

 

Hence my perception of veiled political commentary.

And my meaning of "in power" goes much further today. Radio hosts, TV 'personalities' telling the world how it is in peoples interest to take it. When if it does work before being prescribed by a "reputable" doctor a battery of tests would be preformed, to make sure it is safe for the individual. Getting medical information from people on the internet or TV or radio that are linked heavily to promoting themselves or others is just foolish. Read some about the "doctor" that came up with it in the first place. See if you would let him treat you.

 

Getting medical information from people on the internet or TV or radio that are linked heavily to promoting themselves or others is just foolish.

On that, my friend, we're in 100% agreement -- and that includes 'TV Doctors' regardless of credentials!

Very best regards and please stay well!
HP

 

Hey since everybody is at home and off the roads... Let's do a Cannonball Run!
A Team Exploited the Coronavirus Pandemic to Set a 26-Hour 38-Minute Cross-Country Record
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...ross-country-record/ar-BB12nUOC?ocid=msedgntp

 

Hey since everybody is at home and off the roads... Let's do a Cannonball Run!
A Team Exploited the Coronavirus Pandemic to Set a 26-Hour 38-Minute Cross-Country Record
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...ross-country-record/ar-BB12nUOC?ocid=msedgntp

They should have at least packed some N95 masks to deliver to first responders.

 

They should have at least packed some N95 masks to deliver to first responders.

I'd prefer respirators: