Privacy lost...

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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We are a sovereign nation and can/should (are obligated to!) choose who is allowed to come here using as much information available as possible.
That has never been questioned... but I'd expect a strong backlash from other nations, even allies, if that ever becomes implemented.
 

mcgyvr

Joined Oct 15, 2009
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There is no privacy when you are in public.. Snap my pic/scan my face all you want..

As to Echo,etc.. I don't have one but don't give a flying F if it is listening to me.. I'm not breaking the laws (well.. not too many of them anyways :) ).. There is no human sitting on the other end listening (or call center of a billion people in India listening).. There is a computer hopefully scanning for specific "buzz words" but a group..consumer protection hackers or whatever would have already proven thats happening and I haven't seen it so far.... Fine.. No big deal.. Somehow my life goes on..
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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As to Echo,etc.. I don't have one but don't give a flying F if it is listening to me.. I'm not breaking the laws (well.. not too many of them anyways :) ).. There is no human sitting on the other end listening (or call center of a billion people in India listening).. There is a computer hopefully scanning for specific "buzz words" but a group..consumer protection hackers or whatever would have already proven thats happening and I haven't seen it so far.... Fine.. No big deal.. Somehow my life goes on.
There's a murder case in Arkansas that the cops are trying the data from Amazon. http://www.npr.org/sections/alltech...s-amazon-echo-factors-in-murder-investigation
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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I just ran across some information that might be interesting to people like nsaspook and joejester:

"In 2009, reports by the Department of Homeland Security surfaced that labelled military veterans as extremists (a.k.a. terrorists) and called on the government to subject such targeted individuals to full-fledged pre-crime surveillance."
http://www.rutherford.org/publicati...r_you_the_u.s._militarys_plan_to_take_over_am

the government continues to add to its growing list of characteristics that can be used to identify an individual as a potential domestic terrorist. For instance, you might be a domestic terrorist in the eyes of the FBI (and its network of snitches) if you:
http://www.rutherford.org/publicati...the_fbi_the_silent_terror_of_the_fourth_reich

Those two dissertations contain a lot of links to government policies pertaining to mass surveillance (privacy lost).
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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I just ran across some information that might be interesting to people like nsaspook and joejester:

"In 2009, reports by the Department of Homeland Security surfaced that labelled military veterans as extremists (a.k.a. terrorists) and called on the government to subject such targeted individuals to full-fledged pre-crime surveillance."
http://www.rutherford.org/publicati...r_you_the_u.s._militarys_plan_to_take_over_am

the government continues to add to its growing list of characteristics that can be used to identify an individual as a potential domestic terrorist. For instance, you might be a domestic terrorist in the eyes of the FBI (and its network of snitches) if you:
http://www.rutherford.org/publicati...the_fbi_the_silent_terror_of_the_fourth_reich

Those two dissertations contain a lot of links to government policies pertaining to mass surveillance (privacy lost).
Yes. We are a danger to our government.

Exactly the way it was supposed to be.
 

JoeJester

Joined Apr 26, 2005
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Yep, that's me ... Military Retiree ... labeled a terrorist by my own department, the Department of Homeland Security. Tells you what they think ...

I do find it interesting that people still don't know why the 2nd Amendment exists.
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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the government continues to add to its growing list of characteristics that can be used to identify an individual as a potential domestic terrorist.
Too bad they didn't have that in place to catch Timothy McVeigh. Veterans never go bad.
 

JoeJester

Joined Apr 26, 2005
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How many of the millions of veterans "went bad"?

Juxtapose that against the civilian population.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same rate .... Although the civilian side would be numerically superior.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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How many of the millions of veterans "went bad"?

Juxtapose that against the civilian population.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same rate .... Although the civilian side would be numerically superior.
Hundreds of murders in Chicago alone each year. And not by former military.

I'd classify gangs as terrorist organizations and prosecute accordingly.

But that's just me.
 

Sinus23

Joined Sep 7, 2013
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Hundreds of murders in Chicago alone each year. And not by former military.

I'd classify gangs as terrorist organizations and prosecute accordingly.

But that's just me.
So "It's the government...." Clause only applies when you see fit.

Biased Logic Still Looks Like Logic. Only biased.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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This is a very good article, very relevant to this thread:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...survive-big-data-and-artificial-intelligence/

We are experiencing the largest transformation since the end of the Second World War; after the automation of production and the creation of self-driving cars the automation of society is next. With this, society is at a crossroads, which promises great opportunities, but also considerable risks. If we take the wrong decisions it could threaten our greatest historical achievements.
 
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