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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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This is a very good article, very relevant to this thread:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...survive-big-data-and-artificial-intelligence/

We are experiencing the largest transformation since the end of the Second World War; after the automation of production and the creation of self-driving cars the automation of society is next. With this, society is at a crossroads, which promises great opportunities, but also considerable risks. If we take the wrong decisions it could threaten our greatest historical achievements.
I can see a very large portion of the population wanting to opt out of the AI revolution. I expect to see a middle-class Rage Against the Machines in the not too far future where technology is an abomination (today's anarchists). A guaranteed living wage paid by the government would only make us slaves to the very rich/powerful and I can already see the beginnings of a anti-tech backlash happening today to what many people are seeing as excessive use of technology in our daily lives. If we can regulation immigration we can surely regulate AI itself. In times of economic upheaval expect to see a scapegoat and it's possible automation and AI will fit the bill nicely.
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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I can see a very large portion of the population wanting to opt out of the AI revolution. I expect to see a middle-class Rage Against the Machines in the not too far future where technology is an abomination (today's anarchists). A guaranteed living wage paid by the government would only make us slaves to the very rich/powerful and I can already see the beginnings of a anti-tech backlash happening today to what many people are seeing as excessive use of technology in our daily lives. If we can regulation immigration we can surely regulate AI itself. In times of economic upheaval expect to see a scapegoat and it's possible automation and AI will fit the bill nicely.
You're threading into the land of economics, which by definition, is unpredictable... A tax on AI? Subsidies for human manufacturing jobs? A basic income for doing nothing? ... I guess our great grandchildren are gonna have to wait and see...
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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You're threading into the land of economics, which by definition, is unpredictable... A tax on AI? Subsidies for human manufacturing jobs? A basic income for doing nothing? ... I guess our great grandchildren are gonna have to wait and see...
I agree we can't predict future economics as each chosen course itself affects the choice for future actions but unpredictable doesn't mean uncontrollable at that point in time. The fundamental basis for atomic decay is unpredictable yet we can control and harness the power.

We can make choices and one choice might be to not have a AI/robotic/automation free for all by assigning a high cost to it's usage.
http://inthesetimes.com/working/ent..._taxing_robots_is_better_than_bill_gates_idea
Bill Gates and French Socialist presidential candidate Benoit Hamon would appear to have similar ideas for how to curb the impact of the kind of profit-hungry automation Puzder dreams of: Tax the bejeezus out of companies that use robots. But like other proposals with support from opposite sides of the political spectrum—like the idea of a universal basic income—the devil is in the details.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.technologyreview.com/s/...tless-collection-of-americans-communications/
Section 702 authorizes the government to compel providers like Google and Facebook to disclose communications content associated with “targets” of foreign intelligence. It also gives it the power to make the companies that own and maintain the Internet’s backbone turn over communications content, including telephone calls. That includes not just communications sent to and from a target, but also communications that are about the target—even if the targeted person isn’t participating in the communication.
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In practice, however, Section 702’s vague language has “allowed the government to craft rules that are permissive and contain multiple exceptions,” Elizabeth Goitein, co-director of the liberty and national security program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, told the House Judiciary Committee last week. It “almost always” keeps Americans’ data for five years or more, and the NSA “routinely” shares raw data from Section 702 surveillance with the FBI and the CIA, Goitein told the committee.

What civil liberties advocates find most problematic, though, are so-called “backdoor” searches, wherein the NSA, CIA, or FBI uses identifiers associated with Americans to query data collected via Section 702 surveillance, even though that data was collected without a warrant. The FBI can even do this during criminal investigations that are not related to national security. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court found in 2015 that such searches are in line with the Constitution, however.
 

nsaspook

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This worries me... our "occidental culture", is becoming more and more "orientalized"... in a bad way ... I would've expected this sort from a country like China, and not from the U.S.
This is why statements about having no FISA warrant to wiretap in the US are meaningless. The 1970's capability to listen to a Cuban phone or radio transmission from the Florida Keys is the same capability needed to track that communication to the condo in Miami on the other side. What's different today is the simply the scale and the degree of storage that digital communication enables. The culture has always been there behind the buildings with razor wire and gun towers or a big skyscraper in NYC.
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/16/the-nsas-spy-hub-in-new-york-hidden-in-plain-sight/
The 33 Thomas Street building is located almost next door to the FBI’s New York field office — about a block away — at Federal Plaza. The 2011 NSA travel guide instructs employees traveling to TITANPOINTE to head to the FBI’s New York field office. It adds that trips to the site should be coordinated with AT&T (referenced as “LITHIUM”) and the FBI, including an FBI “site watch officer.”
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The inquiry, led by Democratic Sen. Frank Church, published its findings in April 1976. It concluded that U.S. intelligence agencies had “invaded individual privacy and violated the rights of lawful assembly and political expression.” Surveillance programs operated by the NSA through this period, it was later revealed, had targeted “domestic terrorist and foreign radical” suspects, including a host of eminent Americans, such as the civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Whitney Young, the boxer Muhammad Ali, Washington Post columnist Art Buchwald, and New York Times journalist Tom Wicker.

The Church Committee recommended that new and tighter controls be placed on intelligence gathering. And in 1978, Congress approved the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, requiring the executive branch to request warrants for spying operations from a newly formed court.
 
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cmartinez

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I guess this is part of the risks of traveling... and not just to or from the U.S. ... all countries' customs departments could do far worse things to you other than a simple pat-down... and all done legally
 

GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
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I guess this is part of the risks of traveling... and not just to or from the U.S. ... all countries' customs departments could do far worse things to you other than a simple pat-down... and all done legally
With ObamaCare converting to TrumpCare, I'm going to have to use the TSA's new enhanced "intimate" pat down as an opportunity to get my annual Prostate exam.
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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Here is where your Data is being routed copied and some stored. If you decide to visit Utah just remember, they just passed 0.05 Alcohol Limit.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-of-the-nsas-utah-data-center-2013-6

It's maybe 30 minutes from my home. They Monitor what we affectionately call "Happy Valley" because the Mormon Church and it's influence all over the world.


Saying as much as 5 zettabytes — 1 zettabyte = 1 billion terabytes = 1 trillion gigabytes — and with just 1 zettabyte (1024 exabytes) of space, the NSA can store a year's worth of the global Internet traffic (which is estimated reached 966 exabytes per year in 2015).
Want a Job..... https://nsa.gov1.info/jobs/index.html

kv
 
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GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
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Here is where your Data is being routed copied and some stored. If you decide to visit Utah just remember, they just passed 0.05 Alcohol Limit.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-of-the-nsas-utah-data-center-2013-6

It's maybe 30 minutes from my home. They Monitor what we affectionately call "Happy Valley" because the Mormon Church and it's influence all over the world.




kv
Those numbers are disputed because global manufacturing capacity is just not at that level.
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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This is a very interesting scenario:


Authorities allege that they found evidence suggesting that child sexual abuse images had been accessed with the devices after they were able to decrypt the Mac Pro.
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The external hard drives remain inaccessible, however, and the suspect has been held in contempt of court - and remanded in custody - since late 2015.
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"The fact remains that the government has not brought charges and our client has now been in custody for nearly 18 months based on his assertion of his constitutional right against self-incrimination."
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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This is a very interesting scenario:


Authorities allege that they found evidence suggesting that child sexual abuse images had been accessed with the devices after they were able to decrypt the Mac Pro.
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The external hard drives remain inaccessible, however, and the suspect has been held in contempt of court - and remanded in custody - since late 2015.
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"The fact remains that the government has not brought charges and our client has now been in custody for nearly 18 months based on his assertion of his constitutional right against self-incrimination."
Seems what's on the hard-drive is worth the time in jail. Win-win, he keeps his right of self-incrimination and we keep him in jail for kiddie porn. If you need to encrypt your goodies use the double decrypt kind. One password decrypts to flowers and kittens, the other password decrypts to what you want to hide. Guess which one the government gets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption
Deniable encryption makes it impossible to prove the existence of the plaintext message without the proper encryption key. This may be done by allowing an encrypted message to be decrypted to different sensible plaintexts, depending on the key used. This allows the sender to have plausible deniability if compelled to give up his or her encryption key. The notion of "deniable encryption" was used by Julian Assange and Ralf Weinmann in the Rubberhose filesystem[2] and explored in detail in a paper by Ran Canetti, Cynthia Dwork, Moni Naor, and Rafail Ostrovsky[3] in 1996.
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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It's called the border no constitution zone.:mad:
A.H.W.
Yeah... thing is that every single country on the planet has the same policies... they can strip you naked if they feel like it, and I'm not exaggerating... when crossing a border into any country, even if it's your own, you lose absolutely all rights to privacy.
 
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