New Batteries For EV's

nsaspook

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A Tesla parked in the house’s garage caught on fire. When firefighters arrived, the garage was fully involved in fire. The family of 5 evacuated along with their dog and rabbit.
 

cmartinez

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The next-generation Phoenix cell can deliver a range of 621 miles (1,000 km) on a single charge. According to Huang, the use of superconducting materials and thermal management technology in the cell ensures that the battery can be heated back from temperatures as low as -4 Fahrenheit (-20 degrees Celsius) to 77 Fahrenheit (25 degrees Celsius) in just five minutes.
Now that the battery is within its normal operating temperature range, it can be rapidly charged and reach full capacity in just six minutes. Effectively, the cell can be used in any weather conditions and is equivalent to filling the tank of a gasoline-powered car, matching the company’s vision. “The Phoenix battery not only addresses the long charging time for EVs, but other pain points. It doesn’t matter if it’s a hot day or a cold day, the Phoenix battery’s range won’t be affected.”
 

WBahn

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I agree .. either the company is a fraud, or the person that wrote the article didn't understand the tech and simply wrote whatever babble popped into his head ...
Or both. I take anything I come across from interestingengineering with a huge grain of salt. About the only time I look at anything there is when I didn't pay close enough attention to what site a search led me to.
 

wayneh

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https://www.ilika.com/latest-news/goliath-prototypes-demonstrate-superior-safety

Goliath prototypes withstand test without exploding or overheating, unlike lithium-ion cells

Ilika (AIM: IKA), an independent global expert in solid state battery technology, announces that safety tests undertaken by independent expert assessors have demonstrated the superior safety of Goliath solid state cell battery prototypes relative to lithium-ion equivalent batteries.
 

nsaspook

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Solid state batteries - not today's explosive electrolyte batteries - are the future. The only question is which particular technology will win.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-ne...eakthrough-is-on-heres-who-could-win-it-94591

https://www.autonews.com/automakers...-mazda-subaru-unveil-big-new-ev-battery-plans
OK. So ten years down the road, maybe.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-ne...nging-future-of-mass-production-electric-cars
Solid state batteries are not the game-changing future of mass production electric cars, according to Audi powertrain engineers
There is also a rise in the use of lithium-iron-phosphate (LFP) batteries, which are cheaper and don’t degrade as much over time, though they’re also heavier and less efficient. This tech is most commonly found in BYD's Blade batteries and entry-level Teslas.

Solid state batteries are lighter, use fewer materials, provide a longer range and are less dangerous, though their development is proving slow and they’re certainly not going to be cheap.

According to Audi battery development engineer Johannes Gehrmann, the physical precision required to manufacture solid state batteries means it’s unlikely they’re going to become the prevailing force in providing power to electric vehicles for at least the foreseeable future.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/semi-solid-state-battery
For EVs, Semi-Solid-State Batteries Offer a Step Forward
Chinese automakers are rolling out batteries with gel electrolytes

But China’s investment in the future of batteries won’t likely speed up the timetable for mass production and use in production vehicles. As IEEE Spectrumpointed out in January, it’s not realistic to look for solid-state batteries in production vehicles anytime soon. Experts Spectrum consulted at the time “noted a pointed skepticism toward the technical merits of these announcements. None could isolate anything on the horizon indicating that solid-state technology can escape the engineering and ‘production hell’ that lies ahead.”
https://spectrum.ieee.org/solid-state-battery-production-challenges
Engineering challenge
The big challenge facing true solid-state cells, however, is the long climb to engineering validation. Galyen cites five “golden rules” of batteries–safety, performance, life, cost, and environmental–which must be met for solid-state cells to achieve industry-wide adoption.

The process is reminiscent of Elon Musk’s reference to “manufacturing hell” in 2018.

“Most of the solid-state battery companies fall short on at least three of the five golden rules,” he said. “I haven’t seen anyone publish life numbers that make any sense. And I haven’t seen cost numbers that are even close to competing with liquid-state, lithium-ion batteries.” Solid-state costs, he said, are about where conventional lithium-ion batteries were a decade ago.

Automakers also still need to verify the “performance rule” in three key areas–performance at temperature, performance at altitude, and performance under shock and vibration. Of those, Galyen said, shock and vibration are particularly concerning. “What happens when you’re driving down I-75 and you hit a big pit in the road?” he said. “What kind of damage would be done to the solid-state matrix?”
 
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