Price ... [is] ... a little high.

No. Price is artificially a lot low.

 

...anything they can do, we can do better.

Ah. Sarcasm.

It's hard to tell these days.

 

No. Price is artificially a lot low.

You are not making any sense I think because you are misinterpreting my replies.
Price on EV's is fairly high. The battery prices are crazy high.

 

Price on EV's is fairly high.

But much lower than they should be due to subsidies paid for by people who will never be able to afford an EV, even at subsidized prices.

The battery prices are crazy high.

Look at @nsaspook's comments. According to him, the current EV market crash is a boon to battery consumers. I am not an expert on this...ask him.

 

Fossil fuels may be phased out in the same time frame, although probably not. Eventually they will be gone.

Well not in my lifetime. An EV is one thing but what about planes and boats and trains? How about sea going freighters? Making an EV automobile is one thing but even making an electric semi tractor-trailer is a whole new adventure and how about cost involved? I see Fossil Fuels being around for a long time.

Ron

 

Well not in my lifetime. An EV is one thing but what about planes and boats and trains? How about sea going freighters? Making an EV automobile is one thing but even making an electric semi tractor-trailer is a whole new adventure and how about cost involved? I see Fossil Fuels being around for a long time.

Ron

Hi Ron,

Ironically they will probably continue to need fossil fuels to make EV's and batteries ha ha

I guess the main problem is we still do not have a good renewable source of energy yet. I love solar and solar is great but when clouds persist for several days in a row, you're screwed.

 

https://markets.businessinsider.com...prices-negative-renewable-demand-green-2024-5
Germany has too many solar panels, and it's pushed energy prices into negative territory

Sunny days in Germany mean gray clouds for solar profitability as the nation's dive into renewables has left it with too much energy.

According to a note from SEB Research, in the past 10 days, solar producers have had to take an 87% price cut during production hours. In fact, when production peaks, prices have slid well below zero.

The solution is easy, pay people to use electricity.

 

Naw, just make aluminum, the sell it to the USA.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/en...ower-growth-runs-into-grid-blocks-2024-05-22/
China's blistering solar power growth runs into grid blocks

The problem has hit several regions that were heavy adopters of distributed solar, which made up 42% of the national solar fleet last year, but is especially acute in provinces such as Shandong in the north.
State broadcaster CCTV said up to 50-70% of distributed solar generation is being curtailed in Shandong, which means grid managers have had to stop that amount of supply coming into the grid in order to maintain balances with demand.
China has tried to limit curtailment of renewable energy to 5%, in line with rates of 1.5-4% in most big markets, according to the International Energy Agency.
But in a survey of six provinces' ability to absorb distributed solar, China's energy regulator last year found five expected to have to impose restrictions on new projects in 2024.
Hebei and Henan provinces - two of the "three big drivers" of distributed solar along with Shandong - have already seen an "absolute collapse" in installations, Ries said. "These two provinces are very worrying."

The solution is easy, pay people to use electricity.

 

Surplus electricity is never a problem, industry is always willing to use more than its share.

 

Surplus electricity is never a problem, industry is always willing to use more than its share.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say about industry.

 

Idiots are with us always, else the Darwin awards would go out of business.say what you will I have never had a good opinion of John Q Public.

Even though they are far from perfect we do have self driving cars now. And they are commercially available.

 

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say about industry.

I'm still looking for those 100 ways to waste energy in industry emails to arrive instead of the 100 ways to save energy in industry ones we normally get.

 

I'm still looking for those 100 ways to waste energy in industry emails to arrive instead of the 100 ways to save energy in industry ones we normally get.

I've been doing it wrong all these years, obviously.

 

You know what makes me think here. Long time ago I thought it would be impossible to make an electric car that actually worked for anything useful. That's because I had experience with some giant motors with enough horsepower to run some pretty big things, and they were very heavy and took a LOT of power. To get anything like a car engine I figured it would require a big motor and a giant battery. I never thought that anyone would be crazy enough to install a giant battery in a car. It takes up a lot of room and weighs a ton, and rechargeable batteries (at least back then) would not last forever so the entire bulk would have to be replaced at significant cost.

Fast forward to today we have more advanced technology like rare earth magnets, lithium based rechargeables, and first and foremost, really, really crazy inventors

 

To get anything like a car engine I figured it would require a big motor and a giant battery. I never thought that anyone would be crazy enough to install a giant battery in a car. It takes up a lot of room and weighs a ton, and rechargeable batteries (at least back then) would not last forever so the entire bulk would have to be replaced at significant cost.

And you were exactly right.

 

And you were exactly right.

Ha haaa, yeah now that you mention it, and the most significant: "crazy inventors"
We've got plenty of them around now (can't help but LOL).

 

Just to be clear: there have been no inventions that have improved the economics of EVs over the past 120 years, unless you consider the transfer of cash from poor Americans to rich ones an "invention".

 

Scientists accidentally create potential solution for major long-term issue with electric cars: 'Something we hadn't seen before'


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Researchers from the Washington University in St. Louis and Massachusetts Institute of Technology stumbled on the new structure by accident — a happy accident, as it turned out. The new technology can deliver energy density up to 19 times higher than current capacitors. They published their findings in the journal Science.

 

Scientists accidentally create potential solution for major long-term issue with electric cars: 'Something we hadn't seen before'
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