length and area and volume

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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Ok. a couple of things you need to know first.
  1. Do you know that ax, ay, and az are unit vectors in the direction of the x, y, and z axes respectively?
  2. Do you know the × operation is the vector cross product?
  3. Do you know how to evaluate a vector cross product?
When you can answer those three questions we can proceed.
 

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TimeZero

Joined Sep 14, 2015
18
Ok. a couple of things you need to know first.
  1. Do you know that ax, ay, and az are unit vectors in the direction of the x, y, and z axes respectively? yes I know
  2. Do you know the × operation is the vector cross product? yes I know
  3. Do you know how to evaluate a vector cross product?yes I know
When you can answer those three questions we can proceed.
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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OK. So let us take the first one. A differential length dl is the summation of the length dx times the unit vector in the x direction ax, plus the length dy times the unit vector in the y direction ay, plus the length dz times the unit vector in the z direction. This vector sum produces a vector of the correct length with an orientation that depends on the magnitudes of the scaler quantities dx, dy, and dz. Are we OK with that?
 

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TimeZero

Joined Sep 14, 2015
18
OK. So let us take the first one. A differential length dl is the summation of the length dx times the unit vector in the x direction ax, plus the length dy times the unit vector in the y direction ay, plus the length dz times the unit vector in the z direction. This vector sum produces a vector of the correct length with an orientation that depends on the magnitudes of the scaler quantities dx, dy, and dz. Are we OK with that?
ok nice
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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The differential volume element is also pretty easy to grasp since it is just a cube of infinitesimally small size made up of sides with infinitesimally small lengths, namely dx, dy, and dz.

Area is the tough one to grasp, until you realize that the cross product of two vectors produces a pseudo vector that is perpendicular to both, and which has a magnitude proportional to the differential area with sides dx by dy, or dx by dz, or dy by dz.

Are you still with me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudovector
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynting_vector
 

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TimeZero

Joined Sep 14, 2015
18
The differential volume element is also pretty easy to grasp since it is just a cube of infinitesimally small size made up of sides with infinitesimally small lengths, namely dx, dy, and dz.

Area is the tough one to grasp, until you realize that the cross product of two vectors produces a pseudo vector that is perpendicular to both, and which has a magnitude proportional to the differential area with sides dx by dy, or dx by dz, or dy by dz.

Are you still with me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudovector
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynting_vector
I do not understand the area , why ds1= dy dz ax?

ds2= dz dx ay?

ds3= dy dz az?
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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ds1 has a magnitude of dy dz and a direction of ±ax, where ax is the unit vector in the x direction. Similarly for the other two directions.
 

jssamp

Joined Jun 19, 2014
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Wow. Interesting interplay in this thread. Makes me realize how hard it would be to be a calculus teacher. Once you have it and use it all the time it becomes second nature. It is in trying to explain ideas like curl that I am glad I chose engineering over education. Good job PapaBravo. In some forums people aren't always so patient and willing to stay with it.
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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To be fair, I didn't get many of the concepts with my first bite at the apple -- so to speak. It wasn't until I took Fluid Dynamics that these concepts became cemented inside my thick skull. I really really loved that class.
 

jssamp

Joined Jun 19, 2014
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To be fair, I didn't get many of the concepts with my first bite at the apple -- so to speak. It wasn't until I took Fluid Dynamics that these concepts became cemented inside my thick skull. I really really loved that class.
Do you have any insight into polarization density, permittivity, and the D-field that might help me to make it click? Getting bogged down in my E&M class.
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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Do you have any insight into polarization density, permittivity, and the D-field that might help me to make it click? Getting bogged down in my E&M class.
Nothing comes to mind, except divide an conquer. More pointed questions would be helpful to understand what is giving you trouble.
 
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