My present genes say I come from German, Czech, Russian, Norwegian and likely Irish ancestry

That seems to explain why you chose to live in a cold place, but, "seems to" is the operative phrase here.

 

That's sort of true but then where you want to be and why plus what lengths you are willing to go to, again, plays a significant role in things as well. Counter to what some any claim everyone of us in the America and most developed countries have the means and capacity to pack up and move to some other location where we can get what we want for far less and often times get non standard jobs that pay extramly well if we are willing to travel and or do actual hard work for a while.

At present my property is worth about $250K - $300K in local market values. But in some higher end regions of the country it would easily bring $1 million or more and still have no where near the conveniences and favorable costs of living I have either. Now take the value of either place and go overseas to one of countless countries that have regions with standards of living as high or higher than we have here in the US and that money can buy someone a mansion on the side of a mountain, literally!

A friend of mine was telling me that she is considering moving to one of the smaller South American countries someday given that there she can live as well or even better than she does here for 1/10 the cost. Making and saving $100K in the US does get you much but when it can buy you the standard of living that having a million plus in the bank does it's not such a unreasonable or unattainable goal to work with. Especially if a person is willing to put forth the work to make it like going into the oil fields or a similar high pay industry for 2 - 3 years rather than eak out a living at near minimum wage in some high cost of living location for 40 - 50!

this will be off topic, but I can't help it. Many people are planning this. Mexico, Costa Rica are prime targets on their list. The real estate there is becoming unaffordable to the local people. Where are they supposed to move? This is the world we live in now - noone looks at the bigger picture... Want a job, move to where the jobs are, forget that you have family ties in a certain area, forget that a strong family is able to take care of elderly relatives and young children without offloading them onto social assistance... I can go on and on. And this all done for the name of what is not even paper money anymore but just invisible computer bits. Who is God now:

 

That seems to explain why you chose to live in a cold place, but, "seems to" is the operative phrase here.

Born and raised here so this feels like home to me just as my ancestors felt when they traveled halfway around the world to settle here to start a new life in a better location for numerous reasons.

 

this will be off topic, but I can't help it. Many people are planning this. Mexico, Costa Rica are prime targets on their list. The real estate there is becoming unaffordable to the local people. Where are they supposed to move? This is the world we live in now - noone looks at the bigger picture... Want a job, move to where the jobs are, forget that you have family ties in a certain area, forget that a strong family is able to take care of elderly relatives and young children without offloading them onto social assistance...:

Not a new thing by any means. Our ancestors practiced the same game for countless generations before any of us.

Some moved to get a way to someplace where life would be more favorable to them and others moved away from where they were to get away from the influx of others moving in to where they once called home. Very much representing both aspects of what you mention for the same reasons.

Adapt, assimilate or perish. They are three of the most defining aspects of the human standards of life we have practiced since the beginning of time being not everyone was raised and lived in a home or family where they wanted to stay around an associated with once they got old enough to leave and start a new life for themselves that could be governed by their own rules and wants rather than someone else's.

 

Born and raised here so this feels like home to me

I was born and raised in Indianapolis and I can't figure why anybody would want to live there except it is a tertiary hub to massive industry in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, and (market center) St Louis. To a lesser degree to Dayton, Pittsburgh and Louisville. When steel comes from China, the American automotive industry collapses, and cows don't walk to St. Louis, Indianapolis loses its reason to live.

 

Adapt, assimilate or perish. They are three of the most defining aspects of the human standards of life we have practiced since the beginning of time being not everyone was raised and lived in a home or family where they wanted to stay around an associated with once they got old enough to leave and start a new life for themselves that could be governed by their own rules and wants rather than someone else's.

Here is what I got from this - people make war with others because they are unhappy with the upbringing/habitat/families

 

Here is what I got from this - people make war with others because they are unhappy with the upbringing/habitat/families

What I got was, "people migrate" for at least a dozen different reasons, some as simple as, "I don't want to live in my mother's basement".

 

What I got was, "people migrate" for at least a dozen different reasons, some as simple as, "I don't want to live in my mother's basement".

The main reason is actually "there's no food in this place!" ....

 

The main reason is actually "there's no food in this place!" ....

I moved to Florida because I was without home, vehicle, or job, and down to my last $100.
I knew I could fly to Florida for $90 and hack a Swamp Cabbage before dark, but you can't climb a fruit tree in Indianapolis in January at -10C. So, I guess I did move because, "There's no food here" but I had a few exacerbators.

Right. Dictionary time. Root word = "exacerbate".
(No, it's not about sex.)

 

I moved to Florida because I was without home, vehicle, or job, and down to my last $100.
I knew I could fly to Florida for $90 and hack a Swamp Cabbage before dark, but you can't climb a fruit tree in Indianapolis in January at -10C. So, I guess I did move because, "There's no food here" but I had a few exacerbators.

Right. Dictionary time. Root word = "exacerbate".

Good Lord... talk about a character-building experience!

 

Good Lord... talk about a character-building experience!

I already had character. That's why I wouldn't do sex for a place to sleep or some food.

Edit: Google says he died in 2008 so I can tell his secrets. Richard Simpson would have let me back in to 6 inches of him, but I would rather walk out into 6 inches of new snow at -10C and sleep in the stairwell of a church until dawn when the airplanes resumed flying.

Remember, I'm the guy who refused to quit over a ruptured disk until I became unconscious.
You might call it character, or something about my male parts, but I've always had it.
(I think that's, "huevos" in Spanish.)

 

its getting late... here is an example from an old culture:

https://anthro2100.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/importance-of-independence-from-family/

note that indian families, when immigrating are very successful at quickly accumulating wealth as they work together as a large extended family...

p.s. not commenting on exacerbating...

 

What I got was, "people migrate" for at least a dozen different reasons, some as simple as, "I don't want to live in my mother's basement".

That was my point. There are many reason people will pack up and move away from their birth locations and family. Some to get away from a bad situation and other to find a better life that they can bring them to and many many more.

Everyone on this forum who has family that lives miles or even states or a whole continents way knows what brought someone to that point for good or bad or a bit of both.

 

Intelligent design, intelligent design!!Rubbish! If it was intelligent design why would we need doctors to cure any disease. Everyone and everything would always be perfect! Made in his image! I don't think so.
Another point that intrigues me! We are only in the last few years/months discovering critters and processes deep in our oceans that we would NEVER has seen if we followed religion to the letter. No need for science or inventions. Just follow your (chosen guru/priest/imam etc) and no need to question anything else.Let alone chasing off the stars.
Like the old joke goes. It must have been an engineer who designed the humans. Who else would put the pleasure centre so near the waste outlet!

 

Who else would put the pleasure centre so near the waste outlet!

The way I heard that is, "Must have been designed by a committee to put the playground next to the sewage plant."
In a worse version, the waste water pipe is INSIDE the playground!

But I've been thinking, With me being a Pragmatist and a Taoist (redundant) I might have said God is a figment of man's imagination, but this Thread is about Religion vs Reality. There is a lot of human nature in this conversation, and I'm not done studying humans.

 

42 is the answer. But what was the question? Question is usually more important than the answer I find...

Looking around, I actually see that many people have stopped asking questions, thus no discussion is happening, just shouting and shutting down anyone with opposing "thoughts"

When we have claims of "I believe <insert extraordinary claim here> to be true" offered without justification there can be no discussion and such statements do nothing to advance our understanding of reality; they only reduce the signal-to-noise ratio.

 

@R!f@@ remember this? https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/euphrates.61179/

Aah! That was refreshing. I completely forgot about that .

I have a question for the Religious here and the 'rest'. Does anyone believe, like Mohammed did for example, that Jesus was just another mortal man.
Probabally not a fair question for some.
Max.

All questions are fair and I will do my best to clear out any confusion.
Mohammed (PBUH) did what ?

Jesus of Nazareth (PBUH) was a mortal man. Like the rest of us. But his prayers was answered instantly and he was a powerful prophet.

Answering to others regarding Jesus of Nazareth (PBUH).
He was not crucified. The traitor was made to look like him.
He was taken to heaven, body and soul. So Jesus (PBUH) is still alive.
He will return to kill the Anti-Christ.
Any more questions?

Here is a question regarding humans.
There are two common forefathers. Who are they ?


I agree there is not enough "like" buttons.
I am indeed surprised and Happy that how well we are getting along. Unlike the other threads.
We can indeed have civilized discussions even though we have different beliefs.

Thank you all.

 

Jesus of Nazareth (PBUH) was a mortal man. Like the rest of us. But his prayers was answered instantly and he was a powerful prophet.

Answering to others regarding Jesus of Nazareth (PBUH).
He was not crucified. The traitor was made to look like him.
He was taken to heaven, body and soul. So Jesus (PBUH) is still alive.
He will return to kill the Anti-Christ.
Any more questions?

Just one question; what evidence do you have for any of these claims?

 

Why does anyone think that the lack of randomness.........equates to a deterministic reality? Where does that logic come from? I missed that part. It's so juvenile.

In a physical or chemical process......it's quite predictable.

In a living or biological process......it's multitudes of choices synchronized together. It is self regulating.......growing(assembly and disassembly).......reproducing......and repairing. One might relate choice to randomness. But that would be a mistake.....because the choice is not random to the life making it. It's not random......just unknown. But once the choice is made......you may predict. Or if you know what the choice will be, you may predict.

99% of the tech we have is due to prediction. That's fairly deterministic....isn't it? If no life is involved...it's easy to predict. And if something turns out to be hard to predict.......look for life affects. How does life affect weather/climate? Or a stock market?

Not being able to predict the future is NOT proof of randomness. It just proves you can't predict choice. You would need to know the motive of every choice. This is why profiles are done. Someone(marketeer or government) is trying to predict your choice.

Now whether the square universe turns out to be true or one with contracting/expanding space turns out to be true.......it will not prove/disprove the existence of God.

Religion is the belief in something that can not be proved, detected or confirmed. Things unseen.

If there is not a god.........you will never know it. Because you will be dead. You will not know that you are dead. Because you are dead. You are no longer extant. Your only meaning to your life is your offspring, and the only meaning to their life is their offspring. All that work, effort, sweat and tears for a dab of semen or an egg.

I kinda doubt many people believe or accept that. There has to be more right? For mankind....surviving has never been enough. We all just know that there is more meaning to life. Or at the very least we live like there is. And most of us hope that there is. This need is so strong......that some will invent a meaning.

That want...that need...that hope is answered by religion. Some religions require money and/or obedience for that comfort. And just like our science leaders....our religious leaders are ignorant and nuts.

Have you ever read "The Hobbit"? When you read that story........the only reference you had was that story. The only context you had was that story.

Did the hobbit story have to be literally true for you to get meaning from it. Now most of us know that the hobbit story was not true.........but was it worth your time? How many fictional stories have you read.....that was worth the time?

Read the Bible the same way. Forget what you have heard, been told or taught. The Bible has it's own reference and it's own context. The meaning I get from the hobbit is gona be a little different than your meaning. The same with the Bible. Or any book.

I've probably read it about 8 times. It's a great book of stories. It is NOT a timed, continuous or complete history of man. And it's quite a bit different from the reviews.

And just like studying music will help you in all your other studies........the Bible will help you in all your other understandings.

Don't let anyone do your understanding for you.

 

I am indeed surprised and Happy that how well we are getting along. Unlike the other threads.
We can indeed have civilized discussions even though we have different beliefs.

This is what happens when no one decides to use proud defiant stupidity and trolling as a way out of having to admit their beliefs are wrong.