You'll find me very patient, and they say if I have enough faith you don't even have to come to town.

For you, I hook yous up with my cousin Vinny, bada boom bada bing.
It's done.
Max.

 

I have a question for the Religious here and the 'rest'. Does anyone believe, like Mohammed did for example, that Jesus was just another mortal man.
Probabally not a fair question for some.
Max.

 

I have a question for the Religious here and the 'rest'. Does anyone believe, like Mohammed did for example, that Jesus was just another mortal man.
Probabally not a fair question for some.
Max.

I think the historical record (not even including the Bible) proves that Jesus of Nazareth was a real man who walked the earth.


Edit:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

 

I think the historical record (not even including the Bible) proves that Jesus of Nazareth was a real man who walked the earth.

But how many believe he died at the crucifixion?
Max.

 

I think the historical record (not even including the Bible) proves that Jesus of Nazareth was a real man who walked the earth.


Edit:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

What I believe is that he is a real man, and the real God at the same time... and I like to speak of him in present tense

 

I was not aware being jewish carried a definable genetic marker

The things I am not aware of fill several sections in the local library.
Are you seeking confirmation of a, "Jewish" gene?
Perhaps you should ask one of the gene testing labs.

 

I sense a drift Off Topic about whether JC was a physical human and whether the historical account of crucifixion is true. Is this about personal beliefs about Life, the Universe, and Everything, or is it too specific?

 

But how many believe he died at the crucifixion?
Max.

If he was a real man (I believe he was) and went around saying what they claim in the places where they claim (I believe he did), then I have no problem believing that they crucified him for it. I'm surprised he got as far as he did.

 

42 is the answer. But what was the question? Question is usually more important than the answer I find...

Looking around, I actually see that many people have stopped asking questions, thus no discussion is happening, just shouting and shutting down anyone with opposing "thoughts"

 

42 is the answer. But what was the question? Question is usually more important than the answer I find...

Looking around, I actually see that many people have stopped asking questions, thus no discussion is happening, just shouting and shutting down anyone with opposing "thoughts"

Would it be ironic if I disagreed with you?

I thought we were have a pleasant exchange of ideas.

 

42 is the answer. But what was the question? Question is usually more important than the answer I find...

Now you're getting it!

One of my Rules for life: When you ask the right question, the answer presents itself. Or, If there seems to be no reasonable answer, you're asking the wrong question.

 

As to @#12

I sense a drift Off Topic about whether JC was a physical human and whether the historical account of crucifixion is true

As I mentioned, my interest is mainly in the accurate historical aspect, rather than the religious aspect.
There were many, many that went before him pushing the very same agenda , they were devout Jews and resented the way the temple was being run by the rich and powerful for their own means.
These dissenters were also crucified by the Romans as crime against the state, and went on into oblivion, one difference was Jesus proclaimed when he died he would return, and as it would be received today , most would disregard it as some kind of personal grandiose idea.
But in this case many saw him taken down from the cross 'Dead', low and behold he was seen walking around with nail marks in his hands and feet, (which is the wrong place anyway). Also his tomb was found empty. Hence the resurrection.!!
BTW, the Romans had 500 years to perfect the crucifixion so anyone recording nailing through palms of the hand or the feet, either it was mis-reporting, or someone was a green executioner !
Max.

 

I sense a drift Off Topic about whether JC was a physical human and whether the historical account of crucifixion is true. Is this about personal beliefs about Life, the Universe, and Everything, or is it too specific?

Not enough expressions ones again, thus the like button is far to un-specific.

kv

 

If there seems to be no reasonable answer, you're asking the wrong question.

You're talking to me, even if you're not talking to me.

 

You're talking to me, even if you're not talking to me.

You're right. Looking back to post #1, I AM talking to you, but I'm not in this Thread to correct you. I'm in it because the conversation is necessary for those of us who haven't resolved the issue for ourselves.

 

I also agree with this to an extent. If you don't want to be a slave to debt, you do have the option to live a very minimalist lifestyle and avoid it. But let's say you want to save up your earnings to one day buy a house... It's a moving target that gets harder and harder when you're competing against people leveraging the power of debt slavery. By the time you save up $100k for that shanty by the wastewater treatment plant, it will probably be worth $150k and there will be a line of people with blank bank checks fighting over it.

That's sort of true but then where you want to be and why plus what lengths you are willing to go to, again, plays a significant role in things as well. Counter to what some any claim everyone of us in the America and most developed countries have the means and capacity to pack up and move to some other location where we can get what we want for far less and often times get non standard jobs that pay extramly well if we are willing to travel and or do actual hard work for a while.

At present my property is worth about $250K - $300K in local market values. But in some higher end regions of the country it would easily bring $1 million or more and still have no where near the conveniences and favorable costs of living I have either. Now take the value of either place and go overseas to one of countless countries that have regions with standards of living as high or higher than we have here in the US and that money can buy someone a mansion on the side of a mountain, literally!

A friend of mine was telling me that she is considering moving to one of the smaller South American countries someday given that there she can live as well or even better than she does here for 1/10 the cost. Making and saving $100K in the US does get you much but when it can buy you the standard of living that having a million plus in the bank does it's not such a unreasonable or unattainable goal to work with. Especially if a person is willing to put forth the work to make it like going into the oil fields or a similar high pay industry for 2 - 3 years rather than eak out a living at near minimum wage in some high cost of living location for 40 - 50!

 

But why not?
....But as I mentioned before I did have long hair and was good at wood work.
Max.

And I can make fire, pick up heavy things and survive cold weather better than many but that does not make me a neanderthal despite my possible 1 - 3 percent genetic links to them!

 

You're right. Looking back to post #1, I AM talking to you, but I'm not in this Thread to correct you. I'm in it because the conversation is necessary for those of us who haven't resolved the issue for ourselves.

I can't wait to hear back from you when you do solve it...

 

I can't wait to hear back from you when you do solve it...

Don't hold your breath.

Even if I resolve the issue to my own satisfaction, my answer will NOT resolve the issue for most other people, or, "My best friends call me weird."
My mix of experience, education, pragmatism, and spirituality is possibly unique.

 

The things I am not aware of fill several sections in the local library.
Are you seeking confirmation of a, "Jewish" gene?
Perhaps you should ask one of the gene testing labs.

What I'm finding online seems to imply being Jewish is a combination of both religious belief and cultural heritage of which neither carry a distinct of definable genetic marker for any more than saying I am Roman or Greek because some genetic variant in my DNA say that I had some ancient ancestor that matched those associated genetic markers of those cultures of the time.

My present genes say I come from German, Czech, Russian, Norwegian and likely Irish ancestry given that's the most recent confirmable family lineages we have record of covering the last ~ 100 - 150 years. However I know full well that each of those fragments into multiple contributing regional sub gene pools (likely including Roman, Greek, and other various European and Scandinavian subsets) beyond those to the point it's not worth giving any of it acknowledgement any more just like the possible ancient neanderthal genes I may carry.