How can I make a scanner led light using 1,25 V X 0.054 ma (VIMUN SC - 3012) ?

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sciencetoolbar

Joined Apr 9, 2017
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The op makes no claims of over-unity.

But please keep saying "over-unity" at every opportunity... it drives the guy (or Gal?) nuts (well nuttier) and has got him/her banned on many other forums.

This is not over-unity, just complete garbage ;)

EDIT: forgot to say..... IMHO

EDIT2: Does the OP get money from SPAMming the youtube videos on multiple sites? I suspect not, but I am sceptical. Is the OPs true motivation to make money out of you-tube?

EDIT3: Sorry - saw the "be human and courteous" request before posting, but I am old and grumpy and just can't comply. Will understand ban as deserved when it comes. Don't bother with the moderator PMs to explain. My posting history shows me to be far less helpful on this forum than others, which is sad. Maybe I should fix that
Hello HEX !
Yes , is true when some very well prepared people are starting the discussion with over-unity....... when they are looking over an educational toy/toys and they are using also associated offensive words like "BS" and and moderators are letting them to get away (because probably they are old friends) with this, is normal to be" in flames" I name it " justice". I assure you I didn't break any rule on the forum where I have been banned. (I have also a copy of the thread )
I will tell you the reason why I have been banned from my point of view because you observed just the moderator point of view. The moderator a very qualified man was wrong, he was in hurry he didn't read all the presented material and he said I wish to pretend I invented a perpetuum mobile. I kindly ask him where is that phrase ? - " justice" I have been banned for ..... NOTHING
2.. I am not an you tube creator look over the movies, views and titles, completely unprofessional, more than that I am from Romania, at 2 milions views probably I will earn 2 dollars, I am not in the field but I think this is the amount , and more then that I have enough money - no complains here.
3. why you will be happy if I will be banned ? there is something what I am missing ??

OK IT IS A " GARBAGE " EDUCATIONAL TOY if this will make you more happy - again " justice "?
ST
 
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Tonyr1084

Joined Sep 24, 2015
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FYI - I'm about to check out your website. I look forward to seeing what you've been up to. As for "ARE WE GOOD?" I don't see any reason to object to that notion. I'm merely stating my suspicions, which have been wrong in the past; and likely will be in the future. That being said, as I've stated, we HAVE encountered others who honestly believe they can achieve over-unity while others have just wanted to know how to make a project look good for the sole purpose of duping people into click-bate on their videos for the sole purpose of making a buck.

Whatever - whomever you may be, you're warmly welcome on this forum as long as you treat us as intelligent human beings (not saying you're not - just pointing out a common curtesy as we likewise should be treating you. If I've made you feel less than welcome, I apologize. I don't suspect anyone's feelings have been hurt. If so - it's not our intentions. The people I see here regularly I count them as being highly intelligent and most of the time helpful. I like hanging with intelligent people because they don't irritate me.
 

hexreader

Joined Apr 16, 2011
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OK, so maybe it is time I tried to be a bit nicer and fairer....

You have finally stated what power your solar panel gives out. That is progress.

How about you now measure what power your scanner LED currently uses, and then experiment to find out what power your scanner LED requires to give acceptable brightness. Remember that power is current x voltage, not just voltage.

Power is what matters.

Is the objective to light LED from less than a volt? ... or to turn a magnet at the same time as lighting an LED?

What is wrong with multiple solar panels?
 

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sciencetoolbar

Joined Apr 9, 2017
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Over Unity was the first thing I thought of. Especially in the first video, on the glass table to prove there are no hidden wires or devices. But, the question came to my mine, what is in the kleenex box? Certainly a good hiding place for a battery. But in the second video I could see no hidden power sources. Still, that's an awfully large coil (in my opinion) for that tiny power source (the solar panel). Could there be a hidden battery in that? I DID see the spinning rotor slow down slightly when the solar panel was covered but I never saw it completely stop.

Few years back I saw a copper coil made from a short length of solid copper house wiring with a curly Q pig tail soldered midway. That was connected to a small DC motor that would spin when connected to this weird (absurd) coil. However, inside the motor was hidden a tiny watch battery. When the coil was connected it just completed a circuit and the motor would spin with no apparent wires connected to it. It was a well accomplished trick, but it was nothing more than a trick.

I don't know if this post is serious about overcoming problems but from an educational standpoint, I don't see what can be learned. Of course, that may just be my inability to see the value in such a machine, but - - - .

I'd like to follow this and see where things go. A year or so back someone was asking how to use a 12 volt motor to generate 12 volts using a generator. When we called him on his over unity device he got mad and told us we'll all be sorry when he's rich and famous for inventing over-unity. I wonder how he's doing today.
I did not see how much it is, but it should be considered.

1mF is very big for me. I would suggest trying with 10uF or 1uF. Depends on your actual current. It will be best if we get a measured maximum and minimum current and voltage with and without load over a period of time.
OK, so maybe it is time I tried to be a bit nicer and fairer....

You have finally stated what power your solar panel gives out. That is progress.

How about you now measure what power your scanner LED currently uses, and then experiment to find out what power your scanner LED requires to give acceptable brightness. Remember that power is current x voltage, not just voltage.

Power is what matters.

Is the objective to light LED from less than a volt? ... or to turn a magnet at the same time as lighting an LED?

What is wrong with multiple solar panels?
Multiple solar panels - means to modify the concept of the toy which is using a single tiny solar panel.
I know power is the only thing that matters. I know that very well. Power [W] = voltage [V] X current [A]
I have a problem with the output current : when I connected the multi meter to see the output current , the sphere stopped suddenly so for me is not relevant ( a kind of "STALL" measurement) - the led was connected
I am thinking this happened due to the electrical resistance of the multi meter.
What is your opinion ?
 
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sciencetoolbar

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FYI - I'm about to check out your website. I look forward to seeing what you've been up to. As for "ARE WE GOOD?" I don't see any reason to object to that notion. I'm merely stating my suspicions, which have been wrong in the past; and likely will be in the future. That being said, as I've stated, we HAVE encountered others who honestly believe they can achieve over-unity while others have just wanted to know how to make a project look good for the sole purpose of duping people into click-bate on their videos for the sole purpose of making a buck.

Whatever - whomever you may be, you're warmly welcome on this forum as long as you treat us as intelligent human beings (not saying you're not - just pointing out a common curtesy as we likewise should be treating you. If I've made you feel less than welcome, I apologize. I don't suspect anyone's feelings have been hurt. If so - it's not our intentions. The people I see here regularly I count them as being highly intelligent and most of the time helpful. I like hanging with intelligent people because they don't irritate me.
I am here to find some answers, I know internet is full of scams movies and children and not only are forming wrong opinions due to people desperate to make some money . If you will ever visit Bucharest, it is a nice city, I invite you to see some toys on my office, but don't expect to see something more than some educational toys .

ST
 

Tonyr1084

Joined Sep 24, 2015
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I have a website with some educational projects ( excepting one which represents a research - ABSTRACT - biological r. ) http://sciencetoolbar.com/ - I am not seling anything
You say this is "YOUR" website? I'm sure there's more to explore on it, and maybe you're referring to a website you like to visit, thus, you're calling it your website but not intending to give the impression that you are the proprietor of that site.

If this is your website, it would be helpful if you could present schematics along with descriptions of what is being used and how (theory) it works. That way we have the opportunity to replicate your projects and enjoy them as even you do.

That one video, at the end you expose under the table. I noticed how beautiful the location is. Is that in Romania? Just curious exactly where it is. I'd like to "Google.Maps" it and see it for myself.
 

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sciencetoolbar

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You say this is "YOUR" website? I'm sure there's more to explore on it, and maybe you're referring to a website you like to visit, thus, you're calling it your website but not intending to give the impression that you are the proprietor of that site.

If this is your website, it would be helpful if you could present schematics along with descriptions of what is being used and how (theory) it works. That way we have the opportunity to replicate your projects and enjoy them as even you do.

That one video, at the end you expose under the table. I noticed how beautiful the location is. Is that in Romania? Just curious exactly where it is. I'd like to "Google.Maps" it and see it for myself.
OK. it is very easy to replicate the presented toy I will gladly help you with any details you need.
https://www.instructables.com/id/DC-Generator-Powered-With-a-Single-Mini-Solar-Pane/

I am still working to that website is not finished, but I can prove easy it is mine , if you wish I can wright your name on the first page to prove is mine.
I didn't insist with to many details on the website because all the toys can be founded on instructables.

PS : Romania is known as "Dracula's Country", It's Capital is Bucharest. Part of the European Union since 2007

what is under the table ? I didn't get it ?
If you are referring at the video on the first page on the website (seaside view) it is from Greece which in my opinion is the best option for beach. When I am traveling by car inside E.U. I always takes some toys with me :), by plain, they have some strict rules regarding neodymium magnets .

ST
 
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Tonyr1084

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I was referring to the scenic background over the white wall, the water in the background with the two bodies of land to either side of what appears to be water that extends beyond the horizon with the distant mountain off on the right side.

As for proving ownership - I was merely commenting, no, I don't need proof. I was just wondering where the schematics were and interested in how you use the solar battery to generate AC to spin the spherical magnet.

As for the comment about the camera angle showing beneath the table - it shows no hidden wires or mechanisms, something many charlatans hide, such as wires or coils to transmit electromagnetism through the table to make their projects appear to be perpetual motion machines. In the case of the mentioned video I could see there were no apparent devices beneath the table. The comment was only made because the camera angle captured the landscape across the body of water just beyond the wall. It would be cool to know the exact location (not the address) from where the video was taken.
 

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sciencetoolbar

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I was referring to the scenic background over the white wall, the water in the background with the two bodies of land to either side of what appears to be water that extends beyond the horizon with the distant mountain off on the right side.

As for proving ownership - I was merely commenting, no, I don't need proof. I was just wondering where the schematics were and interested in how you use the solar battery to generate AC to spin the spherical magnet.

As for the comment about the camera angle showing beneath the table - it shows no hidden wires or mechanisms, something many charlatans hide, such as wires or coils to transmit electromagnetism through the table to make their projects appear to be perpetual motion machines. In the case of the mentioned video I could see there were no apparent devices beneath the table. The comment was only made because the camera angle captured the landscape across the body of water just beyond the wall. It would be cool to know the exact location (not the address) from where the video was taken.
I've send you a private message regarding a beautiful beach in Greece for your future holiday, and also the location of the mentioned video clip.
 

Tonyr1084

Joined Sep 24, 2015
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Thank you for the video in the private message. Still didn't answer my question, but that's OK. I'm going to take my leave from this post hence forth.
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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Still didn't answer my question, but that's OK. I'm going to take my leave from this post hence forth.
This is the big reason I'm suspicious. Ask for either explanations or more information, and the subject changes. Same thing at ETO. The only ones that commonly do that are the guess who folks, the ones that get upset when you say the words, OU.
 

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sciencetoolbar

Joined Apr 9, 2017
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This is the big reason I'm suspicious. Ask for either explanations or more information, and the subject changes. Same thing at ETO. The only ones that commonly do that are the guess who folks, the ones that get upset when you say the words, OU.
If you will look with attention on the open thread you will see that I answered at all the questions and I have received also some preliminary answers.
Here is a Brief :
Input : 1,25 V X 0.054 ma
Output : 2,08 V, unable to measure the current due to the sphere suddenly break

I am building an educative toy a "mechanical booster" ( keeping the same input power 67 micro-watts minus losses, increasing the voltage ) , and I requested professional help to make that led glows better. At the first look at that input, based on multiple opinions, there is no converter , joules thief ( electronic circuit ) which can help me (in this particular case, it will not start) with that mentioned input. One of the members kindly advice me for an optimization : I will replace the capacitor of the AC to DC rectifier with a smaller one, I will keep the conductors as short as possible, I will lose some weight on the rotor making small cases. Hex reader asked me about the output current. I response him there is a problem, because I can't measure it (when I connect the multi meter to measure the current the sphere suddenly stops). I am thinking the problem is the resistance of the multi meter and I asked Hex reader his opinion about this. I answered to all the questions related or not with the subject. (polite). I answered also that it can be easy replicated and I offered a link on instructables.
Now we are in this point : I am looking forward to apply on the mechanical booster the mentioned improvements offered by ArakelTheDragon + another one which I didn't see it from the beginning (loss weight). I am unable in this point to measure the output current.
After I will make the improvements I will come back with a feedback.
THX to all so far, st

 
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LesJones

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I have a suspicion that you do not know how to measure the output current. Show us a diagram of EXACTLY how you connected your multimeter to measure the current.

Les.
 

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sciencetoolbar

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I have a suspicion that you do not know how to measure the output current. Show us a diagram of EXACTLY how you connected your multimeter to measure the current.

Les.
Hello Les !
I am uploading the requested information.
As I said for the current output : the sphere stops almost instant....and with it .....
thx ST current 1.jpg current 1.jpg
 

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sciencetoolbar

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Shouldn't meter be on DC current range - not AC?
Hello HEX!
yes should be DC for sure ! I only send the information requested referring connections. look just over the connections :) not to the AC/DC :)
PS : " an army " of qualified people try to measure the current value with different multi meters, the same result.
to be more specific during the tests the position of the multi meter :
current 4.jpg
 
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ArakelTheDragon

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Hello HEX!
yes should be DC for sure ! I only send the information requested referring connections. look just over the connections :) not to the AC/DC :)
PS : " an army " of qualified people try to measure the current value with different multi meters, the same result.
Thats true, the army's preparation is very bad, I guess not only in my country. There were even casualties.
 

hexreader

Joined Apr 16, 2011
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Does the scanner LED have a resistor next to it? If it does, you could measure the voltage across the resistor and work out the current.

Maybe you already did that....
 

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sciencetoolbar

Joined Apr 9, 2017
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Does the scanner LED have a resistor next to it? If it does, you could measure the voltage across the resistor and work out the current.

Maybe you already did that....
I have tried with a "standard " small led - the same situation ...
scanner led - there is no resistor
I am thinking some how the internal resistance of the multi meter is killing the toy is that possible ?
 
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