Guitar amp hum no signal

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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There is (was) one brand of IC sockets that was very prone to corrosion and bad connections in general. Maybe the company that produced this amplifier bought a bunch of those sockets. Knowing about that problem allowed me to do some very fast fixes back in that era. Others may recall that, the company known by it's two initials at the time. They still make good ICs, but no longer make sockets.
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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There is (was) one brand of IC sockets that was very prone to corrosion and bad connections in general. Maybe the company that produced this amplifier bought a bunch of those sockets. Knowing about that problem allowed me to do some very fast fixes back in that era. Others may recall that, the company known by it's two initials at the time. They still make good ICs, but no longer make sockets.
The original board did not use IC sockets. I asked the TS to install sockets.
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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We are waiting for reports on the overall operational status of the amplifier.
If no joy, TS should go back and check Test Point #1 as in post #128.

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Rabbitbreth

Joined Jan 22, 2019
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We are waiting for reports on the overall operational status of the amplifier.
If no joy, TS should go back and check Test Point #1 as in post #128.

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even though all op- amps are working the sound is still crappy through the amp speaker . distorted , hissy . just like the audio I uploaded . test point on that cap is good ,signal coming through .
 
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MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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Here, we will assume that the signal is getting processed properly by the op-amps.
Now we have to trouble-shoot the main power amp.

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sarahMCML

Joined May 11, 2019
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How the hell did you spot that Sarah ! ???? Ive got signal on all op amps , varying degrees of volume but all singing !!! all I did was make sure they were snug in their sockets . slight movement in one .
Just seen so many similar examples over the years, and ones where a pin has been bent under and missed the socket altogether!
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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We will begin this trouble-shooting process by measuring DC voltages.
Firstly, disconnect the loudspeaker.
With no signal input, measure the DC voltages at the two power transistors, at the nut and bolt (C) and the two pins, B and E, all with respect to GND.


Torque Acoustic 50W power amplifier 2N3055 voltages.jpg
 

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Rabbitbreth

Joined Jan 22, 2019
188
We will begin this trouble-shooting process by measuring DC voltages.
Firstly, disconnect the loudspeaker.
With no signal input, measure the DC voltages at the two power transistors, at the nut and bolt (C) and the two pins, B and E, all with respect to GND.


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ok. as pic above : left: nut - 40.3 right : nut - -00.1
E - -00.1 E- -40.3
B- -00.1 B- -40.3


those are both the new transistors by the way.

hmmm the layout changes when I post it . I had them in two rows . hope it makes sense
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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Something is wrong with the positive power rail.
Go back and measure the voltages on the large smoothing capacitors. You should be reading +40V and -40V with respect to GND.

Torque Acoustic 50W power amplifier power supply voltages.jpg
 

Audioguru again

Joined Oct 21, 2019
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I think the 2M2906 (metal case) driver transistor is actually a 2N3906 (as shown) so it matches the 2N3904 driver transistor.
Then both little transistors are overloaded and produce distortion and smoke at high output levels and if the 2N3055 output transistors have normal but low gain.
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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L: 40.8 R: -40.8
Did the 2N3055 transistors come with transistor mounting hardware?
Did you use the insulating washers to mount the transistors to the heatsink?
Remove any insulating washers. The case of the transistors must be electrically bonded to the mounting nuts and bolts, i.e. the metal heatsinks are live, one at +40V and the other at speaker output voltage.
 
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