Gone fracking!

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tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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I'm not all that surprised on this one. disposal wells near fault lines causing earthquakes has been a fairly well understood risk that's been known for some time now so I scratch my head on why they keep putting them in those locations.:rolleyes:

In fact using fluid injection to less the magnitude potential earthquakes has been researched worldwide. We played with it on purpose in some Colorado experiments with it on purpose.back in 1966! https://earthquake.usgs.gov/researc...aly-Bredehoeft-1976-Science-(New-York-NY).pdf

Another article on it. http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/news/10.1063/PT.5.2036

And more. http://pmc.ucsc.edu/~ivmiller/Induced_Paper.pdf

Pedantic fracking an oil well is not the same as running a disposal well blah blah blah stuff. http://science.time.com/2013/07/12/...m-oil-and-gas-drilling-linked-to-earthquakes/

This USGS page has some good info and links on things as well. https://www2.usgs.gov/faq/categories/9833/3424
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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Yeah, I just did a break job and took advantage of AutoZone's tool loaner program. That 2-foot breaker bar is my new favorite tool! I'll never work on a car again without it. Even if it did allow me to rip off a stud.
My problem is that you can't buy a 200 ft-lb torque wrench in 1/2 drive, so it had to be 3/4 drive.:(
Then I dredge out an old 3/4 to 1/2 half adapter and it's out of some kit somebody gave me 20 or 30 years ago.:rolleyes:
I have no idea where it came from, and it busted.:eek:
Then I bought one with a name brand on it, and it works!:)
I have a 1/2 breaker bar, and with 25 years on crutches, I can torque a 3/4 inch bolt in half without straining a muscle.
Problem is, my arms aren't calibrated to 200 ft-lbs so I have to use a torque wrench.:(
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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The AutoZone loaner is 1/2" and goes to 250 ft-lbs. I used it on my caliper bolts, which called for 125 lbs. That was about all I could muster, though. I didn't feel like I could get as good a grip on it as I could with the breaker bar.
 

JoeJester

Joined Apr 26, 2005
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Earthquakes in Oklahoma FAQ
Fact 1: Fracking is NOT causing most of the induced earthquakes. Wastewater disposal is the primary cause of the recent increase in earthquakes in the central United States.

Wastewater disposal wells typically operate for longer durations and inject much more fluid than hydraulic fracturing, making them more likely to induce earthquakes. Enhanced oil recovery injects fluid into rock layers where oil and gas have already been extracted, while wastewater injection often occurs in never-before-touched rocks. Therefore, wastewater injection can raise pressure levels more than enhanced oil recovery, and thus increases the likelihood of induced earthquakes.
 

#12

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I have just learned to distinguish the difference between waste water injection and whatever goes on in those fracking injections.
I thought there were injecting water, and they are, but not a hundred thousand gallons per day for months on end.
 

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tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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Pedantic fracking an oil well
Seriously?

I'm about to go on a shooting spree over this spell check system replacing my words. :mad:

Even I want to know how to pedantically frack and oil well now? o_O

I don't recall what word or words I wanted there but pedantic was not even close. :(
 

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tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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I have just learned to distinguish the difference between waste water injection and whatever goes on in those fracking injections.
I thought there were injecting water, and they are, but not a hundred thousand gallons per day for months on end.
When fracking an oil well between 3 and 10 million gallons goes into the well but in the first month or two much of it comes right back out and gets processed to be reuse in another well.

Whereas with a disposal well ideally owners want them to run 24/7/365 at 100% pump capacity which in many disposal wells that can mean pumping anywhere from a few thousand to several tens of thousands of gallons per hour every hour they can and it's expected to hopefully never come back!

For a water usage comparison a single golf course uses a milion gallons of water in anywhere from 1 day to 1 week and nobody raises an eyebrow over that. :rolleyes:

https://www.google.com/search?q=gol...1.69i57j0l5.5340j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Golf courses, 408 billion gallons a year.
and
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fracking_and_water_consumption Fracking, 70 - 140 bilion gallons a year.

If someone wants to piss and moan about water wastage talk to your golf industry not your fracking industry. Golf has them beat by a huge margin! :(

Wanna guess which state is by far the #1 golf course water user?
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/05/golf-pools-water-drought-california
California at 100+ billion gallons a year! :rolleyes:
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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When fracking an oil well between 3 and 10 million gallons goes into the well but in the first month or two much of it comes right back out and gets processed to be reuse in another well.

Whereas with a disposal well ideally owners want them to run 24/7/365 at 100% pump capacity which in many disposal wells that can mean pumping anywhere from a few thousand to several tens of thousands of gallons per hour every hour they can and it's expected to hopefully never come back!
That puts some proportionality on it (for me).

Wanna guess which state is by far the #1 golf course water user?
You think that's bad?
California governments are watering Astroturf!
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/government-buildings-watering-fake/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/locals-question-watering-artificial-turf-amid-california-drought/
 

GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
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When fracking an oil well between 3 and 10 million gallons goes into the well but in the first month or two much of it comes right back out and gets processed to be reuse in another well.

Whereas with a disposal well ideally owners want them to run 24/7/365 at 100% pump capacity which in many disposal wells that can mean pumping anywhere from a few thousand to several tens of thousands of gallons per hour every hour they can and it's expected to hopefully never come back!

For a water usage comparison a single golf course uses a milion gallons of water in anywhere from 1 day to 1 week and nobody raises an eyebrow over that. :rolleyes:

https://www.google.com/search?q=gol...1.69i57j0l5.5340j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Golf courses, 408 billion gallons a year.
and
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fracking_and_water_consumption Fracking, 70 - 140 bilion gallons a year.

If someone wants to piss and moan about water wastage talk to your golf industry not your fracking industry. Golf has them beat by a huge margin! :(

Wanna guess which state is by far the #1 golf course water user?
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/05/golf-pools-water-drought-california
California at 100+ billion gallons a year! :rolleyes:
Come on! Golf is so important economically and trying to compare golf to the nations energy supply is crazy. Besides, when water is injected into a fracking well, there are all kinds of dangerous chemicals in there like detergents, potassium chloride, barium sulphate and sand all going right to the deep aquifer. Golf courses, on the other hand, are only washing urea, ammonium nitrate and various versions of methyl-ethyl-death that act as herbicides, pesticides, fungicides, algicides and and other things commonly found in our fruits and vegetables - so they must be safe!
 
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