(Moderator's note: This thread was split off an older thread which is at the URL below.
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/magnetic-motive-force.130786/)

Hello: I've invented a "device" that converts magnetic lines of force from permanent magnets directly into DC electricity. The device is static and solid state. When hooked to a standard multi-meter for DC voltage, the voltage ramps up to about 780 millivolts and then goes back down to zero in a mater of a couple of seconds. This repeats itself over and over for as long as I have the "device" attached to the meter.

Question 1: Why would the meter do that?
Question 2: Is there a physics law that covers this type of generation? (No movement of any of the parts)

I've read Dr. Feynman's book QED several times and am aware of the "sea of electrons" and believe at this point that the magnetic lines of force are aligning and moving the electron charge through the circuit due to reactive fields. However, I don't quite understand what's going on.

I know there must be some very bright people on this forum who may be able to explain this. Because the "device" is new and proprietary, I can't at this time divulge the construction detail.

Thank you so much for any input.

Roy Long.

 

1. It might be magic, how can we possibly guess with almost no information.
2. See the above.

 

1. It might be magic, how can we possibly guess with almost no information.
2. See the above.

Thanks for your response.

No, it's not magic. The device has a positive and negative attachment that I connect the meter clips to. I suppose that the direction of the current is related to the north and south of the magnets as switching the terminals produces the same voltage in the negative.
The magnets are standard 1/2" niobium cylinders purchased from K-Magnetics. I could research the magnets to get the gauss value. But my experimentation hasn't revealed little increase or decrease in voltage due to relative size and strength of the magnets, although changing the metals has. It's not galvanic as there is no electrolyte, and it's not Seebeck as there is no temperature difference.

 

If you are looking for an analysis of the effect you would do well to post a description of your device beyond the external connections.

 

Thanks for your response.

No, it's not magic. The device has a positive and negative attachment that I connect the meter clips to. I suppose that the direction of the current is related to the north and south of the magnets as switching the terminals produces the same voltage in the negative.
The magnets are standard 1/2" niobium cylinders purchased from K-Magnetics. I could research the magnets to get the gauss value. But my experimentation hasn't revealed little increase or decrease in voltage due to relative size and strength of the magnets, although changing the metals has. It's not galvanic as there is no electrolyte, and it's not Seebeck as there is no temperature difference.

What is your external energy source? How much power? It can't be simply from the permanent magnets flux.

 

There is no external energy source. It IS simply from the permanent magnet flux. It's harvesting energy from the flux and converting into DC electricity. No moving parts, no other influences. And it is an extremely simple design with very simple materials.

This is why I posed these questions on this forum because I have never heard of such a generator. I am a power plant manager and an inventor and discovered this phenomenon in 2012 while working on another invention.

Because I'm in the process of patenting the device I can't go into detail just yet.

 

If you are looking for an analysis of the effect you would do well to post a description of your device beyond the external connections.

Please see above reply. Thanks.

 

Because I'm in the process of patenting the device I can't go into detail just yet.

You're filing a patent with no idea why it works? You're free to try that, but good luck. And down the road, I can tell you that it's a lot easier to get around a patent when the author didn't know what they were dealing with. You can't cover the alternative approaches to your invention if you don't understand why it works.

Speculation: There's a capacitance or some other form of energy storage which you drain when you connect your meter, but it quickly fades. A reading on a meter requires a vanishingly small amount of energy. It would be far more impressive if you could measure a voltage across a load, such as a 10k or 1k ohm resistor. Until you do, you're measuring ghosts.

 

There is no external energy source. It IS simply from the permanent magnet flux. It's harvesting energy from the flux and converting into DC electricity. No moving parts, no other influences. And it is an extremely simple design with very simple materials.

The magnetic field (purely classical case) can redirect the efforts of existing forces, and then those forces can indeed do work in the relevant direction.

The myth of free energy from permanent magnets is difficult to dispel.

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae354.cfm

 

@nsaspook beat me to it. I was going to add a second speculation to my post: This thread will be closed for discussing free energy, which is against the terms of service around here.

There's zero chance you've invented a free energy machine. Sorry to be blunt, but that's just reality. Whatever artifact you're measuring might be worth discussing here but it'll be up to the moderators to make that call. Personally, I'd see value in chasing it down as long as we all have eyes open that that's what the discussion is about.

 

So basically you want us to believe you have magical generator that works with no input energy, but you can't discuss how it works in detail.
That's very convenient.

 

Proving you have energy from nothing is hard without an anechoic chamber. A strong magnet and a wifi router, cell phone and/or anything else emitting a signal - try to get your meter to zero.
Anyhow, have fun with your patent.

 

A permanent magnet is a piece of magic indeed. That mysterious invisible directional force. The real magic is that it never wears out and you don't have to re-fill it.

It's perfect.....................except, that we have to move it. In this case.......just being there doesn't cut it.

 

I guess we won't be able to get past the over-unity claim and as interesting as this could be, discussion of over-unity is not permitted in this forum.