Dual Power supply with Opamp and 9V battery

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naspilla

Joined Jun 8, 2023
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First of all I would like to say that I am very newbie in this electronic design. So please don't get upset if this question is too stupid.

I am designing a circuit with opamps that can provide +3V and -3V and that can deliver 0.5 Amps. I know I can use the Lm317 and Lm337 but this time I would like to use opamps. This is a prototype of my circuit, could someone give me some advice? Imagen de WhatsApp 2023-06-13 a las 13.36.19.jpg
 

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ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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hi n,
I have reworked your asc circuit, the way it was drawn made it very difficult to follow, please check to see if I have made any errors.
You say 0.5A, is that for the +Vout and the -Vout.

Add a resistive load to the +3.3Vout and -3.3Vout.
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@naspilla Where is the Virtual Ground reference point for your +/-3.3V circuit.?

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Dodgydave

Joined Jun 22, 2012
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It's a bit confusing, you have the Negative ground and +4.5V connected together?
Also have you got a better circuit diagram to follow,..
 

LowQCab

Joined Nov 6, 2012
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It's just about impossible to beat 2-TO-92 packaged Linear-Regulators for your requirements.
Why all the complexity ?????
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Audioguru again

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The max allowed output current of a little 2N3904 transistor is only 200mA, not 500mA.
The heating in Q2 is (9V+4V) x 0.5A= 6.5W but only 0.625W is allowed.
The 0.7V or more base-emitter voltage of Q2 was not added to the -3.3V output which becomes about -4V.
The 9V battery voltage will run down and the +4.5V reference voltage will also run down since it is not regulated.
 

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naspilla

Joined Jun 8, 2023
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The max allowed output current of a little 2N3904 transistor is only 200mA, not 500mA.
The heating in Q2 is (9V+4V) x 0.5A= 6.5W but only 0.625W is allowed.
The 0.7V or more base-emitter voltage of Q2 was not added to the -3.3V output which becomes about -4V.
The 9V battery voltage will run down and the +4.5V reference voltage will also run down since it is not regulated.
I really apreciated your help! Im gonna change Q2 and I need to think how to improve this solution
 

Sensacell

Joined Jun 19, 2012
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The elephant in the room:

A Duracell 9 volt battery has an internal impedance of 1.7 ohms.
A 9v battery cannot supply 0.5A for more than half an hour at best, the data sheet shows a 2 hour life at 250 mA, it will be much worse at 500 mA.
 

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crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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This is a prototype of my circuit,
A schematic should be drawn to make understanding the circuit as easy as possible.
Your schematic definitely does not.
It's okay to use net names to connect several nodes, such as power and ground, but not so much for most other connections.
Please draw them similar to the way Eric modified yours in post #2.
Not only will that help us understand, but it will also allow you to more easily identify any possible mistakes in your circuit.
 

ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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Hi naspilla,
Ref your latest circuit.
You show two power supplies, +4.5Vcc and -4.5Vee, so why are you creating additional circuitry in order to get +/-3.3V from a 9V battery?

When you test a circuit, you must have a load on the +/-3.3V voltage outputs that the output transistors are capable of driving.

When you use OPA's to split a single voltage into a dual +/-Vsupply you have to consider the placing of a virtual ground Node.

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When posting simulation circuits, always post your LTSpice asc file
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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Hi naspilla,
Ref your latest circuit.
You show two power supplies, +4.5Vcc and -4.5Vee, so why are you creating additional circuitry in order to get +/-3.3V from a 9V battery?

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When posting simulation circuits, always post your LTSpice asc file
Hi Eric,

That was my question too. Why have plus and minus 4.5v and then use a 9v battery also when you just need plus and minus 3.3v.
Dang, if that's the case, only need two small regulator chips i would think, two TO92 packages maybe.
 
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