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WHO says today that the Omicron variant of Covid-19 is causing repeat infections in people who are already vaccinated or who have recovered from Covid-19. They probably should have added that the booster shot increases a person's immunity to this problem.
Unvaccinated people do not get the booster shot so they get repeating infections instead. Don't repeating infections kill them?

The news today says that case counts are rising (they are dropping in my area that has only a few antivaxxers) but hospitalizations of unvaccinated people are holding steady. I guess new cases replace the unvaccinated people who passed away.
 
Your selling your house and moving from Cuyahoga county? :p :):D (just joking)
My daughter sold her home and moved to an area that had few Covid-19 cases. The University at the new place had a graduation ceremony that caused way more Covid-19 cases than in the old area and the new area's hospital cannot handle all the unvaccinated severely ill people. My daughter must wait days to get a booster shot.

In my area there is a bus that is giving booster shots. The lineup started at 5:00 this morning in the cold but the bus has only 250 vaccines. The thousands of people in the lineup are not counted and not told that they will not get it.
 

DickCappels

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WHO says today that the Omicron variant of Covid-19 is causing repeat infections in people who are already vaccinated or who have recovered from Covid-19. They probably should have added that the booster shot increases a person's immunity to this problem.
Unvaccinated people do not get the booster shot so they get repeating infections instead. Don't repeating infections kill them?

The news today says that case counts are rising (they are dropping in my area that has only a few antivaxxers) but hospitalizations of unvaccinated people are holding steady. I guess new cases replace the unvaccinated people who passed away.
I know Omicron has been getting passed around for only several weeks, but is there yet any evidence that it causes "repeated infections"? That would be a surprising unpleasantry.
 
A little more than 1 month ago the chief doctor in South Africa told the world about the Omicron variant.
Today, the US says it is causing 73% of all new cases in the US. The variant is now in over 120 countries.
Today, president Biden will order all Americans to get vaccinated up to and including the booster shot to reduce the covid-19 problem and eliminate it soon.

Today, the Australia government is reducing restrictions because they have 91% of people over 16 years old with 2 doses of vaccine and they are learning to live with masks and social distancing. But then the 9% of the people that are antivaxxers will cause the troubles again.
 

nsaspook

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So here I sit in Cuyahoga County Ohio, home of Cleveland, Ohio. A few years back when drug overdose deaths were popular Cuyahoga County managed to lead the entire US in drug overdose deaths. The county seat course of action was to pass an ordinance banning super markets from using those blue plastic bags. Now with the advent of COVID that great law has been suspended. Cuyahoga County has taken on a new leadership role. The county is now #3 in the entire US with new COVID cases per capita exceeding over 200 cases per 100,000 people. They are now bringing in National Guard to administer COVID Testing at inner city locations in Cleveland. So what do these numbers reveal?

Ron
Even rapid testing now is just about useless for transmission control. The virus is in turbo boost fast-replicating mode. Do we ask people to test themselves every 12 hours?

A demo of how fast you can turn positive: Yesterday morning, yesterday lunchtime, yesterday evening, this morning.
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nsaspook

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I know Omicron has been getting passed around for only several weeks, but is there yet any evidence that it causes "repeated infections"? That would be a surprising unpleasantry.
I've seen no evidence of repeated omicron infections in a single person in the short time we have data. Variant specific antibodies are generated, are detected by testing and are active to prevent reinfection and serious symptoms like usual.
 
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Reloadron

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Your selling your house and moving from Cuyahoga county? :p :):D (just joking)
My daughter sold her home and moved to an area that had few Covid-19 cases. The University at the new place had a graduation ceremony that caused way more Covid-19 cases than in the old area and the new area's hospital cannot handle all the unvaccinated severely ill people. My daughter must wait days to get a booster shot.

In my area there is a bus that is giving booster shots. The lineup started at 5:00 this morning in the cold but the bus has only 250 vaccines. The thousands of people in the lineup are not counted and not told that they will not get it.
Years ago a very good friend of mine past away in North Carolina. Loved his house and wanted his house. But no, my wife did not want to move that far from kids and grandkids. I am resolved that COVID or No COVID I will live out my remaining years right here. On the bright side at least our little suburb is not all that bad with pretty good city services. :)

In other COVID news the testing center downtown opened this morning at 9:00 AM. By 7:00 AM it was a massive traffic jam. This required additional law enforcement just to control the traffic mess. Following the COVID vaccinations mess I have to wonder what they expected to happen?

Ron
 
Today people in their 50ies have bad health like people years ago in their 80ies. Obesity (diabetes), smoking and drinking are their underlying health conditions like the unvaccinated guy in Texas who is the first Omicron death.

When my age decade was called I went to the places to get the vaccine and saw many people my age or younger looking like they are 15 or 20 years older in wheelchairs. My age is past the average lifetime of an American, I am spry and can run fast. Today president Biden said the elderly are vulnerable and everybody should get vaccinated to save them. I laughed when he said "elderly" because we are both that age but we are healthy and fine.
 

Reloadron

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nsaspook

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Can you receive a Darwin award posthumously?

Ron
Most are awarded that way. ;)

Only one omicron death so far on a person with underlying health conditions is a good sign. The South Africa model of mild omicron cases seems to be holding here so far. Record number of daily infections but fewer serious effects and deaths.

https://www.reuters.com/world/afric...ease-covid-19-deaths-off-low-base-2021-12-17/
Waasila Jassat, a public health specialist at the NICD, estimated that of the COVID-19 related deaths that had happened in hospitals since mid-November more than half of the people who had died had co-morbidities, or tended to be old, and "a fair proportion of them were admitted for other reasons and died from other causes".

She said that vaccination data on those who had died were incomplete but it seemed from self-reported information that 93% of the deaths were among either unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated individuals. She added that a further 3.5% of those who had died had been vaccinated more than five or six months ago.

Phaahla said early indications were that infections might have peaked in the most populated Gauteng province, where cases initially surged.
https://www.news24.com/news24/south...hed-the-peak-of-its-fourth-wave-nicd-20211221
The percentage of positive Covid-19 tests in Gauteng is decreasing, indicating that the province has reached the peak of its fourth wave of infections.
According to the National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD), the "current evidence is that the reported Covid-19 cases for Gauteng has reached a peak" and there is now a decline in the daily reported cases for the province.
The NICD's Professor Adrian Puren said there had been no major changes in the number of tests performed.
 

justtrying

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A little more than 1 month ago the chief doctor in South Africa told the world about the Omicron variant.
Today, the US says it is causing 73% of all new cases in the US. The variant is now in over 120 countries.
Today, president Biden will order all Americans to get vaccinated up to and including the booster shot to reduce the covid-19 problem and eliminate it soon.

Today, the Australia government is reducing restrictions because they have 91% of people over 16 years old with 2 doses of vaccine and they are learning to live with masks and social distancing. But then the 9% of the people that are antivaxxers will cause the troubles again.
Meanwhile British Columbia is tightening up their restrictions in a province where 88% are double vaccinated and 16% have had their booster shots.

I feel like someone is running a gambling operation here... There was a number of korean movies with this plot.
 

nsaspook

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Meanwhile British Columbia is tightening up their restrictions in a province where 88% are double vaccinated and 16% have had their booster shots.

I feel like someone is running a gambling operation here... There was a number of korean movies with this plot.
Inhumane!
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bars-nightclubs-shut-canadas-british-234237971.html
Bars, nightclubs to shut in Canada's British Columbia as Omicron takes grip


https://globalnews.ca/news/8466502/no-omicron-icu-admissions-in-ontario-yet-but-impact-expected/

Ontario’s top doctor says there haven’t been any known intensive care admissions in the province yet due to the Omicron COVID variant, but an impact on the hospital sector is expected in “the coming days and weeks.”

Dr. Kieran Moore provided an update Tuesday on the COVID-19 situation in Ontario.
He said out of 4,600 confirmed Omicron cases in Ontario, there have been 15 hospitalizations, though it is still being investigated whether Omicron was the reason for hospitalization for all of those affected or if it was incidental.
 

panic mode

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The news today says that case counts are rising (they are dropping in my area that has only a few antivaxxers) but hospitalizations of unvaccinated people are holding steady. I guess new cases replace the unvaccinated people who passed away.
If I am not mistaken, you live in Mississauga..?

Well I happen to live in Mississauga too, actually i am right next to the Credit Valley hospital which is one of the Trillium Health Partners. Btw Trillium alone has over 1100 beds, many of those are ICUs since number of ICUs was increased over the past two years.

Each hospital is releasing updates every 2-3 days. Trillium is releasing reports weekly. According to most recent report for Trillium (from this morning), number of patients hospitalized in Mississauga due to Covid-19 is at the mind blowing... wait for it... 21 cases. And while those are people occupying hospital beds number of Covid patients in ICUs is ... zero. And it was like that for couple of weeks. Either way it does not sound like the hospitals are at capacity because of number of Covid patients.

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https://www.thp.ca/COVID-19/A/index.html
https://www.peelregion.ca/coronavirus/case-status/

So I really wonder that is that news source you are listening to. You make it sound like there is a conveyor belt of bodies leaving hospital.

Am I missing something?
 
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Here in Mississauga, mayor Bonnie is furious that almost all of the Covid cases are in the other city of Brampton in our area called Peel and the news only says the numbers in Peel.

Yes, Panic Mode, I also live near The Credit Valley Hospital. Nurses living on my street say that we got some antivaxxers flown in from Saskatchewan a couple of months ago to treat their severe Covid infections because their hospital was full of dying antivaxxers.

Hee, hee. I said that the case counts here are dropping, not that the thousands of antivaxxers are dropping dead.
Antivaxxers here are understanding that the vaccines will save their jobs and lives and are getting vaccinated.
 

nsaspook

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/briefing/omicron-severity-afghanistan-aid-libya.html
Two new studies suggest that Omicron infections more often result in mild illness compared with previous variants of the coronavirus, offering hope that the current surge may be less catastrophic than feared.

The research, conducted in Britain and released on Wednesday, indicated that Omicron was less likely to put people in hospitals. One study looked at hospital admissions for the Delta and Omicron variants in November and December and found a two-thirds reduction in the risk of hospitalization. A separate analysis looked at Omicron and Delta cases in the first two weeks of December and saw a smaller reduction in hospital visits.
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“What you’ve heard is a qualified good-news story,” said Dr. Jim McMenamin, incident director for Covid-19 at Public Health Scotland. But he warned that hospitals could still be filled because of the rate of transmission.
https://www.research.ed.ac.uk/en/pu...variant-of-concern-and-vaccine-effectiveness-
Findings
The first case of Omicron confirmed by viral sequencing was recorded in Scotland on November 23, 2021, By December 19, 2021, there were 23,840 S gene negative cases. These S gene negative cases were predominantly in the age group 20-39 (11,732; 49.2%). The proportion of S gene negative cases that were possible reinfections was more than 10 times that of S gene positive (7.6%
versus 0.7%). There were 15 hospital admissions in those S gene negative giving an adjusted observed/expected ratio of 0.32 (95% CI 0.19, 0.52). The third/booster vaccine dose was associated with a 57% (95% CI 55, 60) reduction in the risk of symptomatic S gene negative symptomatic infection relative to ≥25 weeks post second dose.

Interpretation
These early national data suggest that Omicron is associated with a two-thirds reduction in the risk of COVID-19 hospitalisation when compared to Delta. Whilst offering the greatest protection against Delta, the third/booster dose of vaccination offers substantial additional protection against the risk of symptomatic COVID-19 for Omicron when compared to ≥25 weeks post second vaccine dose.
 
The chief doctor here for Covid-19 was asked today, "Does the vaccine not work? Why are there more vaccinated people getting the virus than unvaccinated people?".
Answers;
1) Many more people are vaccinated than unvaccinated. The vaccine prevents many people from getting the virus but a few people get it. Unvaccinated people have no protection.
2) Many more vaccinated people are getting tested to avoid passing around a possible infection. Unvaccinated people do not care about passing the virus around and only get tested if they need hospitalization.
Almost all people who are hospitalized are unvaccinated. Almost all deaths are also unvaccinated.
 
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