i think i got last flue shot several decades ago... i see people getting the flue shot all the time which made me curious but then i don't see any reason for it as i tend to fare better than those that got the shot. i am not trying to tell them to not take it, and i would not support mandate to stop flue shots. this too is and it should be a choice. some people are just dealt worse cards. if they need some chemical to keep them going, let them have it. btw what happens to parts of our bodies that do not get used? they become obsolete. just like in the year 2525 when ones legs got nothing to do. i like to use my body the way nature intended. others may be not more than portable iv bags, pumped with hormones, vaccines etc., skin covered in tattoos and face unrecognizable due procedures in plastic surgery. if you think that is great - good for you, but stay away from me and don't try to mandate that either.

 

By not being vaccinated then you are gambling with your health and your life. You are also spreading the viruses to other people.
The flu is a miserable disease that is prevented with a simple inoculation. It is re-designed differently each year for the next mutation.
Covid-19 infections are severe in unvaccinated people but vaccinated people have no symptoms or have minor symptoms.
Some of our hospitals have been overloaded with too many unvaccinated people who had severe pain on the breathing machines that try to keep them alive. How many unvaccinated people were killed by the virus?

How many vaccinated people were saved by the vaccine that also saved people with heart attacks and other emergency medical problems who would be dead if everybody was unvaccinated and were clogging the hospitals?

 

Masks have low efficacy (for over zealous vaccinated people, efficacy refers to how well something does its job, to paraphrase Bob Newhart) according to the few studies on the subject and the use of masks might be a problem because people act as if they are real protection. I caught a flu when this thing started even though I was living alone, wore a mask every time I left the house, and only went to places that required everybody to wear masks.

A lot of what motivates lawmakers is that they don't want bad things to happen on their watch. It is much safer to keep the lid on things (often without regard to the cost to society) for many years than to be the one who takes a chance and have things go wrong, in my simple opinion.

 

it is just a political tool to control mases. individuals simply minding their own business are branded "super spreaders" even after they comply with just about everything including social distancing, wearing mask, etc. meanwhile filth of the world is committing all kind of crimes day in, day out, robbery, riots, arson, drug dealing, drug abuse, illegal immigration and those are overlooked.
i don't see any of the illegal immigrant or homeless encampments getting decimated by covid. meanwhile if you travel by air, you get crucified if your mask is not sitting quite right or vax passport is about to expire in 5 days or if you did not get 7th jab. but get into country on foot or overloaded van in huge numbers and no problem, no vax passport is needed. it is insanity pushed by crooked politicians and demented media like CNN. it has no reason or objectivity to it, it is all about pushing political agenda of those that call people deplorables. and i am sure there will be a new and scarier variant just about time for election so that more mail in voting can take place.

 

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxn...5/Political-Cartoon-12.15.21-Seeing-spots.jpg

 

Changing the rules constantly just causes many people to lose faith in what the medical community in general is saying.

I think your wrong about what causes/caused the lack of faith in the medical community. It was more likely the same person(s) that called out people in the media fake news, for reporting exactly what they , the people calling fake, said or did.

My point was do not release information unless they are sure of it. I am not saying they are not doing a very challenging task, I am saying try waiting until you have a good solid workable final draft.

So you think it would be better to just wait this ever changing virus out before making any statements about what to do? This virus is a new and unknown thing, not like all of the endemic ones that have been studied and allowed to run the course. If we could go back in time, history, and look at the number of dead for the diseases we take as a blip in our lives, I think it would be the same as now. But back then there was little to be done, because science was not where it is today.

 

The government should jail all the people who import and sell fake useless masks and all the unvaccinated adults.
Every day the news says the number of new cases of Covid-19 and that most are unvaccinated. They say that almost all people in hospital ICU who have the virus are unvaccinated. They say that many of the people in ICU die.
They also say that the vaccines are safe and effective and give extremely good protection if you have 3 doses.

Cities with many homeless people have them getting the virus on purpose so that they get good food and lodging in a hospital. They are taking the gamble of being extremely ill or dying.

 

I agree, masks are not 100% effective and probably much less than that. But a mask, at least a proper one, is better than no mask at all. Even if 99% of those wearing masks do not follow the correct mask protocol. That would NOT include those wearing them over the mouth only and breathing through their noses, they might as well have left it in the drawer.

 

So far omicron is following the expected course, for those that have previous immunity.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/me...e-than-flu-says-government-adviser/ar-AARNwve

Professor Glenda Geray, of SAMRC, said: “It’s very heartening to see these results and release that vaccine effectiveness is still greater than 50 per cent. So it’s encouraging and again – the booster strategy may also mitigate the reduction in vaccine effectiveness.

“I think it’s too early for us to make that call but we can say that prior infection and vaccination are affecting the reduction of admission and serious illness. And we’re seeing a shorter duration in hospitalisation.

“People who have been vaccinated are staying in hospital just 2.4 days.”

The study also showed that the odds of reinfection were lower than during delta, suggesting that people who had a delta infection may be better protected.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2...pandemic-asias-omicron-response-points-to-jjj

Roberto Bruzzone, co-director of the HKU-Pasteur Research Pole in Hong Kong, told Al Jazeera the reaction to Omicron was unjustified based on available data.

“I have been arguing for a change in perspective for quite a long time, saying that we need to learn to coexist with the new virus,” he said.

Bruzzone said he hoped the region would not sleepwalk into a future that was permanently less open, free and inter-connected.

“It would be useful if the EU and US and UK and the Americas tried to steer the discourse away from the so-called Asian approach – zero COVID, border closure to foreigners, long quarantines for residents, etc,” he said. “This is because the virus will reappear whenever you open borders and even now, Omicron is everywhere.”

 

I think your wrong about what causes/caused the lack of faith in the medical community. It was more likely the same person(s) that called out people in the media fake news, for reporting exactly what they , the people calling fake, said or did.



So you think it would be better to just wait this ever changing virus out before making any statements about what to do? This virus is a new and unknown thing, not like all of the endemic ones that have been studied and allowed to run the course. If we could go back in time, history, and look at the number of dead for the diseases we take as a blip in our lives, I think it would be the same as now. But back then there was little to be done, because science was not where it is today.

No, I think it would be better if the so called experts got it right rather than endless excuses for bad calls. From day one they have called mistake after mistake. Maybe just maybe they should have better explained this "ever changing" virus for what it was other than lead people down a rosy path. That's what I think. I am not about to change my thinking till the attention whores manage to get things right.

Ron

 

The mistake is that they let antivaxers run loose. The mandates to block them came 1 year too late.

 

No, I think it would be better if the so called experts got it right rather than endless excuses for bad calls. From day one they have called mistake after mistake. Maybe just maybe they should have better explained this "ever changing" virus for what it was other than lead people down a rosy path. That's what I think. I am not about to change my thinking till the attention whores manage to get things right.

Ron

When this started, many people at work took the "2 week to flatten the curve" message to heart. I remember discussing it with someone when i mentioned that it will likely be 1-2 years before they know anything about a vaccine. That lady has never forgotten my comment.

Now, because I have followed some research before this event and also because I do work in healthcare, I do believe that we are in this for a few more years before virua becomes endemic. Most I know who used to listen faithfully to public health announcement have stopped as they finally realize what they are - manipulative political speeches decoupled from any science, sometimes blatant lies.

I do hope that "Omicron" may be what is needed to push the end date closer. It does look promising - a mild highly transmissible strain is what is needed to get this over with.

 

The news said that South Africa and other poor countries will be 70% vaccinated by the summer of 2024 then the case counts will begin to drop.

 

The news said that South Africa and other poor countries will be 70% vaccinated by the summer of 2024 then the case counts will begin to drop.

Is that the same news that said case counts will begin to drop when vaccination rate will be 70%? Or the same news that said there will be no vaccination mandates? Or maybe the same news that said we will be living in post pandemic world come summer (2021)?

 

I think the mutations have shown this will be a lot more like a cold. With new varieties every season they are going to be almost impossible to keep up with. We will still need to take vaccinations though.

it will never be over as some people seem to think. The flu season happens every year too.

 

This pandemic is proving to be a classic example of Darwin's principle at work. The highly vulnerable and the idiot anti-vaxers are the people most likely to be removed from the gene pool. The virus is also evolving to maximise its survival chances.

 

The news said that South Africa and other poor countries will be 70% vaccinated by the summer of 2024 then the case counts will begin to drop.

This pandemic is proving to be a classic example of Darwin's principle at work. The highly vulnerable and the idiot anti-vaxers are the people most likely to be removed from the gene pool. The virus is also evolving to maximise its survival chances.

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My own little observation on this subject is pretty simple. When all of this began if we look back at the demographics of not just countries but down to the demographics of individual cities here in the US or even globally. Look at the education levels in areas hardest hit. The poor areas are the same areas having the lowest education rates. The poor areas also have the most cramped quarters of population density in public housing. Here in the Cleveland area the government used National Guard and setup vaccination distribution targeting those areas and even provided transportation. While this helped a little a little was far from enough. Now toss in the cramped quarters of mass transportation, I have ridden the NYC subway system. Also here in Ohio the current vaccination numbers are only a low 60%. The morning / evening news is also quick to point out that for the most part, with astonishing rising numbers, the unvaccinated are really clogging the system. The new cases were down below 5,000 new cases daily and now pushing 10,000 on a 21 day average. This is also true of John and Jane Doe. Then of course we now have the "breakthrough" cases where those who felt safe following vaccination simply aren't. On the bright side their symptoms are much milder for the most part. When will it all end? Maybe 2023 or when everyone has either had COVID or is dead from COVID. While I see an increase in cases and death I am not seeing the vaccination rate go up.

Ron

 

No, I think it would be better if the so called experts got it right rather than endless excuses for bad calls. From day one they have called mistake after mistake. Maybe just maybe they should have better explained this "ever changing" virus for what it was other than lead people down a rosy path. That's what I think. I am not about to change my thinking till the attention whores manage to get things right.

Ron

At the time(s) they make/made predictions or statements things they said were the best thing they knew. So it still comes down to, do we wait until it's over before saying anything. When things are happening in real time what would your recommendation be? From what I remember all of the statements from what you call attention whores were professed with something similar to, "our best prediction" of the future.

People are fast to condemn Fauci, but seem to forget that he was replaced with Dr. Scott Atlas, how much of what he said was true of even said with any knowledge of infectious disease?

 

This morning on the news:
"The risk of severe illness is dramatically higher among unvaccinated people.
Case counts and ICU admissions are rising and most of them are unvaccinated.
The 3rd dose (the booster shot) protects against getting the Comiron variant almost as much as it did with the Delta variant.
Denmark had 10000 new cases (and many ICU admissions) today." 88% of the population are vaccinated but a photo shows no restrictions (crowded people without masks). The 12% of the population without vaccines are causing most of the new cases because they are not holding a big sign saying that they are spreading the virus around.

The recipe for the vaccine has not changed yet (maybe available in 2 months) but its 3rd dose is working well on the new variant.
But here in Canada only 15% of people have 3 doses which is why case counts and ICU admissions are rising.
The future is looking good when 3rd dose vaccinated people will be able to do anything like before but only when unvaccinated people are gone.

 

Maybe like Prester Hynne, vaccine mandates might give anti-vaxxers a choice. Get the vaccine or get a red U tattooed on their forehead.