I can't be polite

that is pretty much how i see it. not that moderator team minds. my posts did get censored.

 

that is pretty much how i see it. not that moderator team minds. my posts did get censored.

My posts get deleted too so don't feel special.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/c...-dramatically-ill-unvaccinated-covid-patients

Colorado hospitals overwhelmed by young, ‘dramatically ill’ unvaccinated COVID patients

Dr. Ivor Douglas:
Mostly unvaccinated, younger by about 15 years than the first surges, very worrying, because we're seeing patients who are presenting and getting very sick very quickly.
This seems to be a little different than earlier, with patients who would languish a little while at home or languish in the hospital, then get sick. We're now seeing younger people who really have no business getting this sick being dramatically ill very quickly.

How nice should we be to those spreading Mis/Mal/Disinformation about vaccination?

 

you are spreading the misinformation all the time.

i watched the video and when asked why the number of cases are on the rise despite largely vaccinated population the doctor literally answers "we don't know". something that is very common in material you post. selective focus?

 

you are spreading the misinformation all the time.

i watched the video and when asked why the number of cases are on the rise despite largely vaccinated population the doctor literally answers "we don't know". something that is very common in material you post. selective focus?

Selective? Yes, you're very misleading in that post. A perfect example of MAL-information. Thanks for the live demonstration of the concept.

• Dr. Ivor Douglas:
  The answer is, we don't really know.
  But the likely answer has a lot to do with Delta virus, and the fact that 70 percent vaccination rate is just not enough for herd immunity, part one. Part two, there are pockets of Colorado that are doing phenomenally well, where there's great pride in what our state has achieved, where immunization rates are far above 70 percent, particularly amongst the elderly.
  But there are pockets where vaccination rates are much lower, where adherence to social distancing and mask requirements are zero or next to zero, and where cohorting, particularly now very worryingly going into the Thanksgiving and holiday period, represent a tremendous risk to us, not just from COVID, but, very worryingly, with an influenza season on our front door, the real risk and concern that we will have a confluence of undervaccinated folks for COVID, unvaccinated people for influenza, and we're already at the top of our resource availability.

Sure, an actual doctor that's treating people with COVID-19 is the disinformation agent. That's the answer a person of science gives, "we don't know" due to the lack of peer-reviewed studies before his own personal expert opinion.

 

didn't you say "you are entitled to own opinion, not facts".
the fact is he does not know. he said so. stop spreading opinions and claim they are facts

 

didn't you say "you are entitled to own opinion, not facts".
the fact is he does not know. he said so.

He, as an actual medical expert (instead of just another random thread poster like you and me) was very honest about it unlike the producers of Disinformation and IMO the facts of the matter (vaccination) speak for themselves.

 

there is a doctor that lied a lot. he was financing Wuhan lab, lying about virus, covering up etc. his name is Fauci and he is in higher position that Dr Ivor Douglas and at the very center of the pandemic. Btw. i would take what Dr Ivor Douglas says any time over what Fauci says.

 

It's a stupid marketing LABEL. The marketing LABEL is not injected into your arm.

you are trying to sell vaccine to those that have doubts. you are poor salesman. no different than "SONY inside" guy in Zohan movie. you have no argument or proof that approved and correctly labeled product is offered to population. you are just pushing own opinions (potentially lies and misinformation) and attacking anyone that may have a concern or ask a question.

you are entitled to own opinions, not to your own facts.

 

there is a doctor that lied a lot. he was financing Wuhan lab, lying about virus, covering up etc. his name is Fauci and he is in higher position that Dr Ivor Douglas and at the very center of the pandemic. Btw. i would take what Dr Ivor Douglas says any time over what Fauci says.

Another classic tactic. If the first part of a Disinformation plan fails revert to plan B, character assassination of a perceived leader. Yes, what he says is true but do you really want to be in bed with the devil.

 

you are trying to sell vaccine to those that have doubts. you are poor salesman. no different than "SONY inside" guy in Zohan movie. you have no argument or proof that approved and correctly labeled product is offered to population. you are just pushing lies and misinformation.

Lame, lame , lame. Now you are trolling. Good bye.

 

don't like it when people tell you the truth and use your own words? thought so.
your only option was to use attacks (offensive language) and support of force (mandate) instead of argument and dialogue.

 

Gentlemen, can we dial it down a couple of clicks?

 

fine by me. and i was on a receiving end of attacks and name calling.
you can close the topic if you like.

 

Gentlemen, can we dial it down a couple of clicks?

Gladly. He's on my ignore list now so I'm done with that Gentleman.

 

If you get CV19 shot, there are PLENTY of people that got bad reaction or even died because of it.

Why are you posting this misinformation? Where did you find this lie?
The vaccine is safe and effective.

 

Why are you posting this misinformation? Where did you find this lie?
The vaccine is safe and effective.

He is not posting misinformation or a lie. While I can't speak for your information sources I can link to the CDC information on the subject. While the odds of death from the vaccine are great nobody can claim with absolute certainty that there have not been some adverse effects and deaths attributed to the vaccines available. To claim this is a lie is quite simply a lie. Had you actually done your homework before dragging out a soap box you may have known. Nobody including myself is saying the vaccines are not safe and effective, I believe they are. However just because someone points out something you disagree with is a lie is way off base. Now, do your homework.


Thank You & Have a Nice Day
Ron

 

Why are you posting this misinformation? Where did you find this lie?
The vaccine is safe and effective.

Actually vaccine appears to be the safest for those who needed the most (older and immunocompromised). Unfortunately it is also least effective for that group as immune response is weakened.

So evidently younger and healthier people must risk adverse effects from vaccination in order to protect the vulnerable. It is an interesting dilemma.

Since when does an individual become a statistic?

To repeat myself: one death from COVID was one death too many. This does not seem to be the case for the vaccine (if you want to call it that)

There is a huge spike in VAERs system. Last time vaccine was pushed was about a decade ago with HPV. Quite a lot were administered in US and it was nothing close to the amount and variety of issues seen here. Yes the system is voluntary. It is actually widely acknowledge that many issues are underreported. I really question how the trial was designed in the first place that pericarditis was never captured. This means participants were scewed to older age groups (and they were if you look at the data)

 

Will you make a claim their vaccine has killed someone please post an attribution.

 

Actually vaccine appears to be the safest for those who needed the most (older and immunocompromised). Unfortunately it is also least effective for that group as immune response is weakened.

So evidently younger and healthier people must risk adverse effects from vaccination in order to protect the vulnerable. It is an interesting dilemma.

Since when does an individual become a statistic?

To repeat myself: one death from COVID was one death too many. This does not seem to be the case for the vaccine (if you want to call it that)

There is a huge spike in VAERs system. Last time vaccine was pushed was about a decade ago with HPV. Quite a lot were administered in US and it was nothing close to the amount and variety of issues seen here. Yes the system is voluntary. It is actually widely acknowledge that many issues are underreported. I really question how the trial was designed in the first place that pericarditis was never captured. This means participants were scewed to older age groups (and they were if you look at the data)

"So evidently younger and healthier people must risk adverse effects from X in order to protect the vulnerable."

Yes, that's normally called a social contract that the vast majority of us have accepted as the cost of being civilized.