https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...down-as-russia-sees-record-virus-cases-deaths

Russia reported record numbers of daily coronavirus cases and deaths on Thursday as Moscow shut down non-essential services for 11 days to combat the surge in infections.


The country hardest-hit in Europe by the pandemic, Russia has struggled with low vaccination rates despite developing several of its own jabs.
Recent weeks have seen daily numbers of cases and deaths hit the highest of the pandemic, with the official government tally on Thursday reporting new records of 40,096 infections and 1,159 fatalities.
Authorities have shied away from the kind of severe lockdowns imposed in many countries, but have shut down all non-essential services in Moscow from Thursday until November 7.
Retail outlets, restaurants, and sporting and entertainment venues are all closed, along with schools and kindergartens. Only shops selling food, medicine and other essentials are allowed to remain open.
President Vladimir Putin's government has been pinning its hopes on homegrown vaccines like the Sputnik V jab, but Russians have proven stubbornly resistant to being inoculated.
As of Thursday, only 32 percent of Russia's population had been fully vaccinated, according to the Gogov website, which tallies Covid-19 data from the regions.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-funeral-trade-fair-covid-deaths/31531762.html

A Moscow trade show pitching glitzy funeral options takes on grim significance as hundreds of Russians die each day from COVID-19.

 

We need to be very careful using this study to make points one way one the other. The study shows that in areas of high vaccination the vaccinated will be the majority of carriers of the virus because vaccines are not perfect protection. That does not mean that the vaccinated and unvaccinated are equally likely to infect others. Increasing the local general population vaccination levels has been proven to be more effective than domestic (not international travel) vaccine passport segregation of the unvaccinated because the segregation does little to improve vaccine rates and this studies show the total effect is likely to be net negative effect on vaccine rates where they matter the most.

The US is getting cases under control because of vaccination and the natural cycles of the pandemic, not segregation.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00389-8/fulltext



Notice the UK.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58535258

It is something that we should take note of.

Here is a good summary
https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ndividuals-in-Provincetown-Massachusetts.aspx

Conclusion
The Provincetown outbreak had over a thousand cases, and it demonstrated that the Delta variant is capable of causing a large outbreak even in a mostly vaccinated population. It was, however, observed that this outbreak did not contribute significantly to the increase in cases in Massachusetts. It must be noted that the outbreak was short-lived owing to the swift public health response.

The outbreak's impact could also be mitigated by the active engagement of the affected community in the epidemiological response. The limited effect of this episode suggested that although high vaccination rates cannot guarantee the prevention of Delta-driven outbreaks, swift and well-informed public health measures can indeed control them.

Also, this is an important point

Important Notice
medRxiv publishes preliminary scientific reports that are not peer-reviewed and, therefore, should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or treated as established information

Let's wait for peer review before drawing any conclusions from it as there might be some underlying cause for results, seeing how the results conflict with other observations.

 

There is more information regarding transmission of Delta by vaccinated coming out from England. It should come as no surprise if you have been following the vaccines thus far.

 

Apropos of nothing.
In the late '50s I contracted measles. This was before the vaccine. Kindly old Dr. Dart made his house call (!), diagnosed me, and gave me some cheap sunglasses and gave my mother instructions to keep me out of the light, separate from the siblings etc. As he left he slapped a big orange 'Quarantine' sticker on our front door. That was it. No mail delivery (through the door slot), no milk delivery, no one allowed in or out of the house for the duration. Everyone knew the dangers of an outbreak. Thankfully, immune neighbors, seeing the sticker, would drop off a few necessities when they could. It was a public health situation and that's the way everyone rolled to get thorough it. No big deal. We did the deal and got on with our lives.

Back then, patriotism was earned, my folks and millions of others knew what the fight for freedom meant; they survived it. I don't think many of them would identify with today's maskless, vax-less 'freedom fighters', after polio, measles and the rest, they were happy to get the preventive vaccines. Me too.

'nuff said.

 

Apropos of nothing.
In the late '50s I contracted measles. This was before the vaccine. Kindly old Dr. Dart made his house call (!), diagnosed me, and gave me some cheap sunglasses and gave my mother instructions to keep me out of the light, separate from the siblings etc. As he left he slapped a big orange 'Quarantine' sticker on our front door. That was it. No mail delivery (through the door slot), no milk delivery, no one allowed in or out of the house for the duration. Everyone knew the dangers of an outbreak. Thankfully, immune neighbors, seeing the sticker, would drop off a few necessities when they could. It was a public health situation and that's the way everyone rolled to get thorough it. No big deal. We did the deal and got on with our lives.

Back then, patriotism was earned, my folks and millions of others knew what the fight for freedom meant; they survived it. I don't think many of them would identify with today's maskless, vax-less 'freedom fighters', after polio, measles and the rest, they were happy to get the preventive vaccines. Me too.

'nuff said.

... too bad this place doesn't have a "double like" button ...

 

There is more information regarding transmission of Delta by vaccinated coming out from England. It should come as no surprise if you have been following the vaccines thus far.

https://els-jbs-prod-cdn.jbs.elsevi...ncet/pdfs/s1473309921006484-1635425926927.pdf

Interpretation
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully
vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can
efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions
early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory

Yes, no surprise to anyone but this makes it even more important for the unvaccinated to get a shot ASAP to reduce community spread.

 

There is more information regarding transmission of Delta by vaccinated coming out from England. It should come as no surprise if you have been following the vaccines thus far.

Hey mate - Do you have a link to any of the data/studies?

 

https://els-jbs-prod-cdn.jbs.elsevi...ncet/pdfs/s1473309921006484-1635425926927.pdf


Yes, no surprise to anyone but this makes it even more important for the unvaccinated to get a shot ASAP to reduce community spread.

Yes. It is also important to realize that immunocompromised etc are not well protected by this vaccine. Hospitals are full of double vaccinated immunocompromised individuals. BC (where I am) currently has multiple outbreaks in long term care, this is after vaccination mandates went into effect and strict visitation rules were put in places. Areas where these outbreaks are have had vaccination rate of over 75% since late summer...

Better data will be available shortly as unvaccinated workers are fired and unvaccinated visitors not allowed to enter hospitals.

 

Better data will be available shortly as unvaccinated workers are fired and unvaccinated visitors not allowed to enter hospitals.

That data is going to be the key to the effectiveness of current policies ... it's too bad that it'll mostly be politicians that will be doing the interpretation

 

The numbers show that 1 out of 7 eligible people in my area are unvaccinated. But 4 out of 5 new cases of the virus are unvaccinated. Then 2 of 3 unvaccinated new cases go to the hospital with a severe illness but frequently none of the vaccinated new cases need to go to the hospital. Then being vaccinated works well at keeping people healthy.

 

I think, may be wrong though, the study Justtrying is talking about is the one from the Lancet, published yesterday. Newsmax this morning was using it to justify not getting vaccinated. I found it but don't really understand it, beyond my peabrains ability to read gobbledy- gook. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext

Newsmax only pulled the part of the report shown in the heading "interpretation". And this "study" seems to be limited to ~600 households. It seems like, to me, when something proves the deniers correct 600 is a great number. But when it comes to proving the vaccination safe and effective no number will ever be enough. Just my opinion.

 

Two or three times, the article in the Lancet said that being vaccinated reduces the spreading and duration of the Covid-19 pandemic. ALL medical people say that! (Except for the few antivax promoting doctors who had their licenses cancelled).

I am lucky that the antivaxers in my area are diminishing.
Whatsamatter with those few remaining antivaxers?

 

I think, may be wrong though, the study Justtrying is talking about is the one from the Lancet, published yesterday. Newsmax this morning was using it to justify not getting vaccinated. I found it but don't really understand it, beyond my peabrains ability to read gobbledy- gook. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext

Newsmax only pulled the part of the report shown in the heading "interpretation". And this "study" seems to be limited to ~600 households. It seems like, to me, when something proves the deniers correct 600 is a great number. But when it comes to proving the vaccination safe and effective no number will ever be enough. Just my opinion.

I think you have identified the big problem with the concept of 'Doing my own research'. We don't do that. Researchers do. What we rely on is someone to interpret the results of the study and relate them in terms that the layman understand. It's essential then to carefully choose and continually evaluate the reliability of that source. Unfortunately, I think that far too many people (most, all??) pick the sources that reinforce their beliefs rather than seek out the best source to inform them even if that source has demonstrated that it is not trustworthy.

I like to read the original studies but readily admit that I am not equipped to know if the results are valid, whether the study was properly conducted and reviewed and even how the results apply to the population in general i.e. me. So I rely on sources that have earned my trust over the years while continually checking to see if what they say holds up in the long run. I am also fortunate to have access to a fleet of doctors in my immediate circle, some of whom have done original research and know the game.

Even with all of that, a lot of science is sloppy and doesn't always hold up under careful scrutiny.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/10/ivermectin-research-problems/620473/


It is useful to know where a source's financial interests lie. Cable news? Ha. Stay angry, keep watching. Internet news? Keep clicking. Instagram influencer? Seriously..?? More than a few anti-vax pundits have interests in the wellness business, including my new ex doctor up here in the country. There is lots of grousing about the money big-pharma is making, probably justified, but don't think that those lovely wellness folks aren't lining their pockets either:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...c01078-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/09/12/wellness-influencers-vaccine-misinformation/

Depressing way to start the day, I know.
Good luck!

 

Two or three times, the article in the Lancet said that being vaccinated reduces the spreading and duration of the Covid-19 pandemic. ALL medical people say that! (Except for the few antivax promoting doctors who had their licenses cancelled).

I am lucky that the antivaxers in my area are diminishing.
Whatsamatter with those few remaining antivaxers?

Case rates are declining to the point in high vaccinated populations that nobody cares about the few antivaxers. We should not let them restrict our freedom of movement and way of life by giving them more importance than they deserve.

Nature will fix the problem eventually.
Which U.S. state has the lowest COVID-19 rate right now?

Spoiler

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/america-s-falling-covid-case-rate-3-charts-n1282675

The number of new Covid-19 cases in the United States has dropped by nearly a quarter in the last two weeks, further signaling a downward trend in the country’s fourth wave of the pandemic.
The country has averaged about 70,000 new cases per day from Oct. 14 to Oct. 27, a decrease of 22 percent from the two weeks prior. The number of Covid-related deaths also dropped during that time by about 14 percent.
Overall, new cases have fallen 57 percent since Sept. 13, the peak of the fourth wave, which saw an average of more than 166,000 new cases daily, according to NBC News’ Covid tally.

Shaun Truelove, an infectious diseases scientist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, attributes the drop in cases to a combination of immunity from vaccination and people who have already had a Covid infection.

“We think that's happening because of the amount of immunity that's built up in the population,” he said. “That's really driving down the number of people who remain in the population that are susceptible.”
...
As cases now fall, so have the number of counties that fall under mask guidance, with 8 percent of all counties now falling to moderate or low levels of transmissibility.
Most of those counties were in Texas, Georgia and Missouri.

 

I think, may be wrong though, the study Justtrying is talking about is the one from the Lancet, published yesterday. Newsmax this morning was using it to justify not getting vaccinated. I found it but don't really understand it, beyond my peabrains ability to read gobbledy- gook. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext

Newsmax only pulled the part of the report shown in the heading "interpretation". And this "study" seems to be limited to ~600 households. It seems like, to me, when something proves the deniers correct 600 is a great number. But when it comes to proving the vaccination safe and effective no number will ever be enough. Just my opinion.

Thank you for finding it. Their interpretation summary explains what they think they found. It aligns with previous findings that came out of MA event in the summer with many more people involved.

Basically, transmission of delta by vaccinated is much too high to ignore. That should be the message. Do what you will with it.

People are free to do what they want with information provided.

If research "provides amminition" then should we stop all research?

Media is doing great selective reporting. On all sides. This needs to be remembered.

 

The article in the Lancet said that transmission of the Delta variant of Covid-19 by vaccinated people is fairly high.
But they said that transmission by unvaccinated people is much higher. Another reason to be vaccinated.

Did you see the millions of fans at the games without masks then they are spreading the virus around?
But the mandated to be vaccinated fans barely notice when they get the virus. Another reason to be vaccinated.

 

Outdoor transmission of the virus is rare.

https://news.ufl.edu/2021/10/no-covid-spikes-from-football/
So far, COVID-19 spikes from college football games haven’t materialized

 

People are free to do what they want with information provided.

Even make unreliable claims? That may have been OK at one time where only your closest friends or family heard it, but now? The 30% is just to loud and making all of the news. The reverse of the old "silent majority". that was to be a good thing but times have changed. Alternate facts rule the day, all over the world.

 

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf

The IC assesses that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, probably emerged and infected humans
through an initial small-scale exposure that occurred no later than November 2019 with the first known cluster of
COVID-19 cases arising in Wuhan, China in December 2019. In addition, the IC was able to reach broad
agreement on several other key issues. We judge the virus was not developed as a biological weapon. Most
agencies also assess with low confidence that SARS-CoV-2 probably was not genetically engineered; however, two
agencies believe there was not sufficient evidence to make an assessment either way. Finally, the IC assesses
China’s officials did not have foreknowledge of the virus before the initial outbreak of COVID-19 emerged.

Analysts that find the natural zoonotic spillover hypothesis the most likely explanation for the pandemic also note the wide diversity of animals that are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection, range of scenarios—to include animal trafficking, farming, sale, and rescue—in China that would enable zoonotic transmission, and precedent of novel human infectious disease outbreaks originating from zoonotic transmission. Previous human coronavirus outbreaks, to include SARS-CoV-1 and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), occurred naturally and were linked to animal reservoirs with zoonotic transmission to humans, according to scientific literature.

 

Do you really expect the 30% will believe such thing? ^