Would any REASONABLE PERSON react in such a way? Most likely NOT.

Maybe she or one of her coworkers had been confronted by this hack before or another of his Project Veritas "journalists". I put journalists in quotes because that is the only way of describing that whole group of ignoramuses at Project Veritas that won;t get this deleted. there whole mission is disinformation, mostly done but not always, by deceptive editing of their videos. Real Journalists, I think not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas

Relying on stuff like this is below you, sorry.

 

Maybe the reason your side has failed to make much traction is that people have heard and know all of what you're trying to sell but honestly think it's BS created by a few malcontents with an ax to grind on a host of other issues and are just using known vaccination risks to scare the gullible.

Can I hear an AMEN!

 

Yes, as a matter of fact I have, and I researched it a little bit a few months ago. The fetal cells themselves were not used to develop the vaccine, but they were use rather for testing purposes. But not ALL vaccines were tested that way, to my knowledge, Astra Zeneca's wasn't, for instance. Also, AZ is a "viral vector" type of vaccine, and not the mRna type that so many people (in their ignorance) have criticized so much.

Cells for research are used all of the time, but they are mostly grown/cloned from a known and proven cell line. Not all of them were obtained originally very honestly or up front. The one I'm familiar with and probably the most talked about, - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks

I kind of have to feel bad for those that believe all of this crap about both the virus and it's vaccine, but not too bad, Most here are smart enough to see through it, but they rely on some news media with an agenda to make thing political when they never should be. Or put too much faith in what they read posted by people, that probably aren't as smart as they are, just better writers of fiction.

 

Well I did some quick research into the "fetal cells" thing. Seems that that cell line is back from the 1960s or 70's from the Netherlands. Any and all of the cells used today are lab grown from that small group of cells. so while they are technically fetal cells they aren't being harvested today.

I do remember when my kids were born we signed a paper allowing the hospital to "dispose" of the placenta. I knew the doctor pretty well, his wife was one of our babysitters growing up, and he said they were sold to a company the then sold them to "scientists". Have no idea what they were used for though.

I came to the same conclusion.
(Here)

If the idea that there was a few cells that were used in testing that were derived from fetal tissue taken 50 years ago makes you angry, I would hate to think of what you would think of how many human cells are in a blood transfusion, or organ transplant...

Many people grabbed the idea of vaccinations making them bullet proof which eventually lead to the disappointment we are experiencing today.

I agree with this point - Not a lot of people (pro/anti-vaccine) actually know how vaccines work - You hear descriptions more in line with how an antibiotic would work.

They forget that a vaccine makes the immune system create antibodies that target a virus without being exposed to the risks of the 'natural' exposure (here and here, but there are literally books on this) - An example of a risk with natural exposure to Covid-19 is the growing worry about "long-covid" (here).

When science communicators say that they are 100% safe they are actually doing science a disservice.

What they should be saying is that the risk benefit makes taking the vaccines the better option.

Here is a great link to a summery of the Comirnaty (Pfizer) vaccine (here) or (here)

but you wouldnt want to look at what happened, because "strawman".

I'll let you figure out what logic fallacy that is - Hint: If I didn't follow the link and look into it, how was I able to determine that it was an off-topic post?

 

i think your side is working hard to cover things up. leek at these Einsteins:
https://t.co/4GYDZqvNDB?amp=1

they cannot tell what is true or false if their life depended on it. they cannot tie their shoes.
add the voting irregularities, fake dossiers, censorship and media war, flood of illegals and you get mases that follow whatever you want.

if your side was really so interested in putting an end to pandemic, why not close the border and let people come in using regular channels?

You clearly are making my point, thanks for the reinforcements...

 

I came to the same conclusion.
(Here)

If the idea that there was a few cells that were used in testing that were derived from fetal tissue taken 50 years ago makes you angry, I would hate to think of what you would think of how many human cells are in a blood transfusion, or organ transplant...


I agree with this point - Not a lot of people (pro/anti-vaccine) actually know how vaccines work - You hear descriptions more in line with how an antibiotic would work.

They forget that a vaccine makes the immune system create antibodies that target a virus without being exposed to the risks of the 'natural' exposure (here and here, but there are literally books on this) - An example of a risk with natural exposure to Covid-19 is the growing worry about "long-covid" (here).

When science communicators say that they are 100% safe they are actually doing science a disservice.

What they should be saying is that the risk benefit makes taking the vaccines the better option.

Here is a great link to a summery of the Comirnaty (Pfizer) vaccine (here) or (here)


I'll let you figure out what logic fallacy that is - Hint: If I didn't follow the link and look into it, how was I able to determine that it was an off-topic post?

You seem to think that I am trying to prove something. I am not. It is simply information. You choose to not accept it as valid. You are free to do so.

In your post here you seem to equate fetal cells used for research to blood cells and organs taken from adults for purposes of medical treatmwnt. You might want to review your own stance on "false equivalence"

 

You seem to think that I am trying to prove something. I am not. It is simply information. You choose to not accept it as valid. You are free to do so.

In your post here you seem to equate fetal cells used for research to blood cells and organs taken from adults for purposes of medical treatmwnt. You might want to review your own stance on "false equivalence"

How are human cells not human cells?

 

How are human cells not human cells?

Ethics of fetal cell use in research are different and complex.

Perhaps it is not an issue in Australia, where you are, but in most countries fetal cells are more special than others.

To mods: this is not a political statement, there are special rules and regulations bases on ethical considerations in regards to these.

 

The best way to avoid committing a logical fallacy is to build your argument on top of supporting data by researchers and actively try to avoid any bias and speculation.

We can then then look at the data and discuss the outcomes

The best post that I've seen so far from the group of people who seem to be regularly posting "reasons why the mainstream consensus of Covid-19 is incorrect" was @xox

So...it seems that regions with high vaccination rates also happen to be reporting some of the highest numbers of new Covid cases.

It was a genuine study that we could look at and discuss the outcomes and predictions from it (which I did (here))

I look at everything that gets posted here by both "groups", even the more "exotic" links that were posted by LowQ. I also worked really hard to find middle ground and always remain respectful of those "exotic" points of view.

I'm happy to have my biases challenged/changed with new facts, but I do require actual data/studies. (Not things like videos of people being chased down the street and people speculating on how guilty she "looked")

When I asked for actual court documents, I wasn't being defensive, I was seeking the actual evidence that one should when accepting a claim as fact.

Ethics of fetal cell use in research are different and complex.

Perhaps it is not an issue in Australia, where you are, but in most countries fetal cells are more special than others.

To mods: this is not a political statement, there are special rules and regulations bases on ethical considerations in regards to these.

I'm sorry, that was a bit insensitive of me. I forget that I am speaking to people from a more conservative Christian culture and you are well in your rights to call me on that.

Abortions are definitely "off topic", so let's try to get back on the topic of coronavirus.

 

I'm happy to have my biases challenged/changed with new facts, but I do require actual data/studies. (Not things like videos of people being chased down the street and people speculating on how guilty she "looked")

When I asked for actual court documents, I wasn't being defensive, I was seeking the actual evidence that one should when accepting a claim as fact.

You haven't figured out yet that that won't allow them to have anything to say? I said many pages ago something on the order of, it's still the same ~30%. Ask me in PM what that means, my earlier definition got deleted.

 

If you are an actual scientist, you cannot claim any long term safety and efficacy based on 6 months trial data. All you have is some immediate short term results.

There are multiple long term safety and efficacy trial starting now that will run for many years. That data will not be available for a long time.

Remember that none of the vaccine trials are done until 2023.

 

In Canada the requirement is ten years testing on animals and five years testing on humans.
So by 2034 there will be fifteen years of testing.

 

If you are an actual scientist, you cannot claim any long term safety and efficacy based on 6 months trial data. All you have is some immediate short term results.

There are multiple long term safety and efficacy trial starting now that will run for many years. That data will not be available for a long time.

Remember that none of the vaccine trials are done until 2023.

If the alternative is to wait for years before the general population is vaccinated then the current level of risk using current data is well worth it. We now have plenty of data to backcast the numbers of sick and dead if the vaccines were withheld
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...izations-averted-rapid-us-vaccination-rollout

 

The proof of vaccination certificates are working well here. Fully vaccinated people can do almost anything now, like before the Covid-19 virus came. Few antivaxers are seen because they are blocked by mandates, their numbers are dropping because they are getting vaccinated and maybe the remaining are hiding somewhere.

 

The proof of vaccination certificates are working well here. Fully vaccinated people can do almost anything now, like before the Covid-19 virus came. Few antivaxers are seen because they are blocked by mandates, their numbers are dropping because they are getting vaccinated and maybe the remaining are hiding somewhere.

Proof of vaccination certificates are widely available from dozens of illegal sources. The imported versions have corrected the earlier misspellings and now like counterfeit money they look very good. So exactly what does a counterfeit certificate prove? Would you be able to clearly distinguish a valid from a fraud? Bogus certificates are as widely available in Canada as here in the US. A common drivers license is more difficult, much more difficult to forge than a vaccination certificate. Claiming a vaccination certificate accomplishes or proves anything is nonsense.

Ron

 

Do kids go to school today with forged vaccination certificates for all the vaccines they require?
Why don't all the antivax criminals get the safe and effective Covid-19 vaccine to quickly rid the world of the virus?

 

The certificates in Canada are the biggest joke since the Phoenix pay system (sorry about this inside reference)

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/b-c-woma...tificate-doesn-t-include-key-detail-1.5599852

Canada proudly unveiled federal vaccine passport system. Alas it is not available in BC

There is another good one - https://vancouversun.com/news/local...le-to-use-digital-proof-of-vaccination-at-yvr

 

btw getting proof of vaccine in Canada can be done online
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...ian-covid-19-proof-vaccination/get-proof.html

but access does not work with all browsers. if you see this, try different one

 

My Proof Of Vaccination certificate has everything on it needed for Canada and most other countries.
The app that scans it will easily detect a counterfeit one.

 

My Proof Of Vaccination certificate has everything on it needed for Canada and most other countries.
The app that scans it will easily detect a counterfeit one.

So all bars, restaurants and other places requiring vaccination have the equipment to scan a vaccination certificate and know authenticity? I think not. Here in the US there is a national data base but few places if any access the data base. Having a certificate proves absolutely nothing.

Ron