Agreed. If you do not want to mask up and get the jab, stay home. I, my grandkids and their overworked Dr. mom will thank you.

 

You just supported my claim. You predict the outcome of you posting a comment based on previous behavior by the moderators. You are not just about to change and neither are they...

Oh the humanity

The only difference is I give/gave credible links to things that were/are caught on camera/video as they happened. There is a big difference. Making false claims to preempt what your going to do is totally different.

 

hi,
Interesting link, regarding on the high number of non vaccinated critical patients in Russia.
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hi,
Interesting link, regarding on the high number of non vaccinated critical patients in Russia.
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Mistrust can be deadly...

 

trust can be deadly too

 

True, but in this case trust has undeniably paid off:

 

The map of the world shows that Portugal has 87% of its eligible population fully vaccinated followed by United Arab Emirates at 86%. United States is at only 57% so they have the most people with Covid-19 in hospital. Some African countries have almost nobody fully vaccinated.

 

The map of the world shows that Portugal has 87% of its eligible population fully vaccinated followed by United Arab Emirates at 86%. United States is at only 57% so they have the most people with Covid-19 in hospital. Some African countries have almost nobody fully vaccinated.

The African response to the virus has been interesting from the beginning. Most of Africa has very low levels of vaccination and has continued to have low levels of cases outside of South Africa. It shows there are regional factors that influence sickness and deaths beyond government measures, raw case numbers and medical interventions.

Apr 24, 2020
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/coronavirus.166679/post-1503815

One thing that developing countries have in their favor is a young population. Hopefully that should limit the death rate to manageable numbers.
https://africanarguments.org/2020/0...l-why-lockdowns-might-not-be-africa-best-bet/

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/coronavirus.166679/post-1552153

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/regions/africa/

https://qz.com/africa/2049407/why-has-covid-19-had-less-of-an-impact-in-africa/

There has been an increase in Covid-19 deaths across Africa since mid-July 2021. But the impact of the pandemic in sub-Saharan Africa remains markedly lower compared to the Americas, Europe, and Asia.

The reasons for this are not yet clear. Several factors have been suggested as potentially influencing the low burden of Covid-19 illness. These include age demographics, lack of long-term care facilities, potential cross-protection from previous exposure to circulating coronaviruses, limitations of SARS-CoV-2 testing which may have resulted in an undercounting of deaths, and effective government public health responses.

 

The African response to the virus has been interesting from the beginning. Most of Africa has very low levels of vaccination and has continued to have low levels of cases outside of South Africa.

Wouldn't the low number of big population cities also be a factor? It's my understanding that South Africa has more large cities than the rest of the continents countries.

 

Africa has some huge cities with massive slums outside of SA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Africa_by_population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinshasa
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/democratic-republic-of-the-congo/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-africa/

 

Latest information. But of course corporations have a right to protect their interests, pandemic or no pandemic

https://www.citizen.org/article/pfizers-power/

Yes and no.
Companies have a fiduciary duty to shareholders to maximize profits to shareholders.
There has to be a limit to financial greed at a cost to society.

 

True, but in this case trust has undeniably paid off

depends on point of view. that table only shows number of vaccines distributed/used. it tells nothing about "pay off".

DDT, asbestos, lead cans and lead water piping, various now illegal drugs, etc. were all thought as beneficial initially. we still have to see what the long term effects of the vaccines are.

maybe this is far worse than anyone imagined. short term gains seem to be interesting but this is still an experimental thing that is injected into human bodies.

you cannot remove it and discard it as old socks when not needed.

people in positions of power are lining their pockets from big pharma and in return pushing mandates on those who ask simple questions and asking to see both sides of the coin.

 

For the vast majority of the vaccinated the "pay off" is obvious.

For instance DDT is not banned worldwide and has saved countless millions from malaria in Africa and India. In those places "which is worse, malaria or DDT?" and what are the risks? With everything there is a risk assessment, in the US we have wisely and scientifically decided that Covid-19 vaccination is well worth the known risks.

 

yes, but here someone is trying to make that decision for me and force me (if i don't want the risk) regardless how insignificant perceived "extra layer for protection" is even if it only may benefit others and put me at risk.

 

yes, but here someone is trying to make that decision for me and force me (if i don't want the risk) regardless how insignificant perceived "extra layer for protection" is even if it only may benefit others and put me at risk.

When a person actually forces you to take the shot by physical force like in China call me. I and many others will be on your side then.
This is what actual vaccine mandates look like.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-09-29/forced-vaccinations-china-ethics-covid

Couldn’t it be argued that pinning people down and vaccinating them is just the logical extension of our own mandate policies? The Chinese and the U.S. governments have the same objective — to vaccinate the maximum number of people and stop the spread and mutation of the virus. The Chinese are just going a little further in their tactics, right?

Not right. Flat wrong. What these local officials in China are doing is entirely unacceptable.

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1900-1940/197us11

Facts of the case
A Massachusetts law allowed cities to require residents to be vaccinated against smallpox. Cambridge adopted such an ordinance, with some exceptions. Jacobson refused to comply with the requirement and was fined five dollars.
Question
Did the mandatory vaccination law violate Jacobson's Fourteenth Amendment right to liberty?
Conclusion
The Court held that the law was a legitimate exercise of the state's police power to protect the public health and safety of its citizens. Local boards of health determined when mandatory vaccinations were needed, thus making the requirement neither unreasonable nor arbitrarily imposed.

If you don't want to live inside the medical emergency social pact, that's OK. Don't a car drive (risk related speed limits) or use anything where others make decisions for you about what you can or must do.

 

its not much different if one is forced to choose between being able to provide for family and become homeless. why do you think that your right should trump mine?

 

why do you think that your right should trump mine?

While we don't even live close and this doesn't apply directly to you, why isn't the reverse of what you said true? Why is it that your choice not to vaccinate and get/spread covid mine?

To the mods, that wasn't a political use of that T word.

 

its not much different if one is forced to choose between being able to provide for family and become homeless. why do you think that your right should trump mine?

You don't live alone on Walton's Mountain so your rights are not absolute.
It's your choice, Chose Wisely.

 

So according to the CDC itself only about 5% of deaths recorded list Covid as the ONLY contributing factor. Which of course means that the actual number across the entire US could well be less than 38,000!

Just another example of one of the many ways in which the numbers can be inflated...

 

Medical experts are discovering that many people who have recovered from the Covid-19 virus have "brain fog" (memory problems) and bad symptoms from other organs for months. Another good reason to get vaccinated.