I think the point is that Pfzer, like some other drug companies put profit (and bonuses?) way ahead of doing good for their end customers.

 

I think the point is that Pfzer, like some other drug companies put profit (and bonuses?) way ahead of doing good for their end customers.

Without any evidence of any wrong doing it is just speculation and bias.

There is a special name for this logical fallacy: The Genetic fallacy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

It's the same as saying that "people who own Volkswagens are evil because Volkswagen is a car company that was created by the Nazi Party"

If there is any actual legal claims against Pfizer w.r.t the Covid-19 vaccine I'd love to read up on it

 

Just curious, why are you so fiercely defending this particular company?

 

Hi,
I don't think he is defending the companies, he is just asking for some proof to back some unsubstantiated claims made by other posters.

I agree, let's see some hard official evidence for these claims.

E

 

Without any evidence of any wrong doing it is just speculation and bias.

There is a special name for this logical fallacy: The Genetic fallacy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

It's the same as saying that "people who own Volkswagens are evil because Volkswagen is a car company that was created by the Nazi Party"

If there is any actual legal claims against Pfizer w.r.t the Covid-19 vaccine I'd love to read up on it

I am not satisfied by your answer but thank you for your response

 

Without any evidence of any wrong doing it is just speculation and bias.

There is a special name for this logical fallacy: The Genetic fallacy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

It's the same as saying that "people who own Volkswagens are evil because Volkswagen is a car company that was created by the Nazi Party"

If there is any actual legal claims against Pfizer w.r.t the Covid-19 vaccine I'd love to read up on it

I think the fallacy here is that you're arguing against a claim that t_glover didn't make, i.e. that there are legal claims against Pfizer w.r.t. the Covid-19 vaccine or that they broke the law somehow w.r.t. the same.

 

So the current anti-vaccine attack, after all the other bogus anti-vaxx claims have gone down in flames, is to attack capitalism and corporate profits.

Do you guys really want to go down that blind alley?

 

Many antivaxers in my area of Canada are being fired from their jobs today.
I used my Proof Of Vaccines certificate for the first time today.

 

So the current anti-vaccine attack, ... is to attack capitalism and corporate profits.

Can you be specific about what you're talking about?
FYI, I got 2 Phizer shots and will get a 3rd when offered.

 

People questioning fast vaccine development are pointing out to prior mistakes and transgressions seen in the industry.

To those of you so willing to accept what pfeizer and others are providing:

- have you seen their trial data?
- have you seen their protocols?
- have you seen their contracts?

There is no fallacy in stating that prior behavior predicts future behavior - theives steal, liers lie...

There is nothing scientific about shutting down questions. There is nothing democratic about wishing death upon your neighbor.

We will all die sooner or later. Is it not sad that at this point we will die more divided and with more hatred towards one another than 2 years ago? And because of what?

Dehumanize the "enemy" using labels. It seems to be a very successful strategy.

p.s. in case noone noticed LAW has been largely suspended in order to produce these vaccines. Governement is advertising the vaccines for the companies and mandating treatment. No liability for manufacturers. Seems to work for everyone.

 

There is no fallacy in stating that prior behavior predicts future behavior - theives steal, liers lie...

That pretty much covers where all the false information is coming from about the vaccines. Preclaiming or projecting things that will be later used against you has been the norm for the last ~5 to 6 years. I could expand on that but won't in open forum, citing my track record here.

 

That pretty much covers where all the false information is coming from about the vaccines. Preclaiming or projecting things that will be later used against you has been the norm for the last ~5 to 6 years. I could expand on that but won't in open forum, citing my track record here.

You just supported my claim. You predict the outcome of you posting a comment based on previous behavior by the moderators. You are not just about to change and neither are they...

Oh the humanity

 

Pfizer pushes Canadian government for tax breaks.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...36.1737646439.1634851020-245398419.1634851020

 

Latest information. But of course corporations have a right to protect their interests, pandemic or no pandemic

https://www.citizen.org/article/pfizers-power/

 

Little kids will be vaccinated soon. They might be mandated and be banned if not vaccinated.
Also, zoo animals will be vaccinated and all will be done because there are no antivaxers.

 

Can you be specific about what you're talking about?
FYI, I got 2 Phizer shots and will get a 3rd when offered.

It's not directed at you or any one person in particular.

I'm talking about the 'vaccine' bad because it's made by 'Evil Corp' for money message.. So predictable in the progression of anti-vaxx messaging..

https://theconversation.com/covid-19-anti-vaxxers-use-the-same-arguments-from-135-years-ago-145592

Ross’s pamphlet was adamant about the role of both the press and the medical profession in stoking fears over infection as part of a “mad” campaign for gaining money. Much like today, epidemics created opportunities for both employment and research in the medical field. Yet this employment was painted as an unethical exploitation of the poor, worth “one million pounds sterling” to the profession, rather than an effort in combating the suffering and death of thousands.

Additionally, public health measures were depicted as an assault on personal rights and an overreach of government power. “Talk no longer of Russian Tyranny,” Ross declared, for there was “none so formidable” as the city health officials. His arguments are still echoed over a century later in the current pandemic, as we see continued support behind the belief in a conspiracy to limit freedoms (among other, more extreme, conspiracy theories).

 

It's not directed at you or any one person in particular.

I'm talking about the 'vaccine' bad because it's made by 'Evil Corp' for money message.. So predictable in the progression of anti-vaxx messaging..

https://theconversation.com/covid-19-anti-vaxxers-use-the-same-arguments-from-135-years-ago-145592

Thou shalt never let a crisis go to waste...

 

From Israel, a large study regarding side effects

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

 

From Israel, a large study regarding side effects

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

We estimated that the BNT162b2 vaccine resulted in an increased incidence of a few adverse events over a 42-day follow-up period. Although most of these events were mild, some of them, such as myocarditis, could be potentially serious. However, our results indicate that SARS-CoV-2 infection is itself a very strong risk factor for myocarditis, and it also substantially increases the risk of multiple other serious adverse events. These findings help to shed light on the short- and medium-term risks of the vaccine and place them in clinical context. Further studies will be needed to estimate the potential of long-term adverse events.

Getting vaccinated seems to be a wise health risk compared to risking worse effects from infection per that study.

 

Or just stay home.