Not wearing a mask, 0% effective, wearing a mask correctly, let's say maybe 90% effective, wearing a mask incorrectly, somewhere in between but greater than 0%. Do the math... Yes, I am triple vaxed and I have a comprimised immune system. I still avoid exposure and wear a mask when I have to be exposed. Recently lost a family member who was also vaxed and still died from Covid.

 

yes, and it could be harmful too. not useless but harmful...

I hear what your saying and I agree that there are people out there that struggle with the concept on how to wear a mask.

Does that mean that the risk out weighs the benefit? I can't see how anyone would come to that conclusion. Over a population, wearing a mask has been a factor in slowing down the spread, especially when combined with other preventive measures, such as getting vaccinated, frequent hand-washing, and physical distancing. (source)

I'm sure that more people come to harm from gun ownership in the USA than wearing a mask, with a number of firearm deaths in 2019 of 12.1 per 100,000 population, but the conservitive groups who appose masks seem to be very pro-gun.

 

i have no problem wearing mask and in fact i do. i have a problem forcing people to wear the mask as i see very little benefit to wearer.
plus those that do not use mask properly are usually the greatest hazard to themselves.

 

And as long as they continue to do so, become infected, spread their infection to others, they are a threat to me... Will I say anything to someone I encounter not masked? No, that's not my nature to do so. I will mentally shake my head at their ignorance and hope for their best outcome.

 

i have a problem forcing people to wear the mask as i see very little benefit to wearer.

I guess that it's a cultural difference between us, because I have no problem with public health issues being forced by law.

So we can agree to disagree on that point.

 

Masking is only a public health issue because of the unvaxx'd hordes priming the pump for the current Delta wave. I do have a problem after being 3X vaccinated being forced to wear masks unnecessarily due to their non-compliance. If there is a battle to wage at this late point it's to one to mandate vaccination of the general population with a few exceptions like previous infection..

 

Mask were/are mandated by law in some places. Law enforcement doesn't get to chase down the noncompliers with the lights on and siren blaring in their shiny new Dodge Charger patrol cars so there is very little incentive for them to enforce the law. Calling them to report a nonmasker gets as much attention as a call about a lost parakeet. Besides, at least around here, they won't wear masks when required either. Not to mention the folks that work in our local Post Office which is Presidentially Mandated to wear them and don't. No enforcement, no mask...

 

The virus trend in the US continues to move.
https://covidestim.org/

 

i have no problem wearing mask and in fact i do. i have a problem forcing people to wear the mask as i see very little benefit to wearer.
plus those that do not use mask properly are usually the greatest hazard to themselves.

In the cases where you see little benefit to the wearer, you seem to be ignoring the benefit to those around the wearer.

 

In the cases where you see little benefit to the wearer, you seem to be ignoring the benefit to those around the wearer.

The best benefit is for all be vaccinated. Then nobody would need a stupid mask unless it was protection from bad breath.

 

In the cases where you see little benefit to the wearer, you seem to be ignoring the benefit to those around the wearer.

while some people have been severely ill or even died from covid, this is not even remotely as bad or even comparable to many other diseases. survivability rate is remarkably high - reportedly with (and according to some even without vaccination).

if one has any sign of infection then there is no question that they and everyone they were in contact with need to be quarantined - even against their will.

those that are at higher risk need special care but - that is their own problem. quarantine or hospitalize them, but - do not shut the entire economy down. this not bubonic plague.

but when one has no demonstrable signs of infection or contact with infected then doing additional reasonable measures for the benefit of others (distancing, masking, frequent sanitizing etc.) is not necessary. it is welcome, kind and polite - but not necessary.

one's first and foremost responsibility is to protect himself ... then others. after two years, my sympathy for hypochondriacs is wearing down, specially when they have audacity to suggest forced vaccinations. they are waaaay out of line... if the current measures are good and you think they work - good for you. take them. stop forcing it on others.

 

Hi,
Got both my Covid Booster and Flu shot last evening, in the same arm.

I have had no serious side effects so far, as the video of my morning work out shows.

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Compares well with the original

 

good for you. take them. stop forcing it on others.

And you don't think that people not doing it aren't forcing risks to others? Comparing covid to bubonic plague is not such a well thought out comparison. Plague was spread by fleas and this is spread in the air, we probably wouldn't be here today if plague was airborne

 

"And you don't think that people not doing it aren't forcing risks to others?"
everything is a risk from the moment one is conceived to at least the moment one is dead.
life is full of risks. some are acceptable, some are not.

fear is a healthy thing. it is what keeps all species alive. if your fear that someone without mask or vaccine is walking down the street some distance away you is putting you at risk, feel free to increase distance or move to other side of the street... or don't go out.

about comparison, i was referring to survival chances, not mode of transfer.

 

Yes, fear is a healthy thing. Fear of death, losing your job, etc ... is making the reluctant get vaccinated.

Don't pick a fight with the grim reaper,

 

hi,
Interesting Articles.
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https://www.aad.org/public/diseases/coronavirus/covid-toes
https://www.england.nhs.uk/south/wp...09/2A-Info_sheetI_Symptoms_COVID19_v1.0-1.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/health/coronavirus-covid-toe.html

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58801462

Dr Veronique Bataille, a consultant dermatologist and spokeswoman for the British Skin Foundation, said Covid toe was seen very frequently during the early phase of the pandemic, but has been less common in the current Delta variant wave.
That might be down to more people being vaccinated or having some protection against Covid from past infections.
"Presentations after vaccination are much rarer," she said.

 

And you don't think that people not doing it aren't forcing risks to others? Comparing covid to bubonic plague is not such a well thought out comparison. Plague was spread by fleas and this is spread in the air, we probably wouldn't be here today if plague was airborne

@shortbus - actuallly plague is airborne. The concept that it is flea spread only, is an historically promoted untruth. Modern testing has shown that it is in fact airborne.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/he...s-rats-as-bearers-of-black-death#.UzyDEYVgzj4

 

@shortbus - actuallly plague is airborne. The concept that it is flea spread only, is an historically promoted untruth. Modern testing has shown that it is in fact airborne.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/he...s-rats-as-bearers-of-black-death#.UzyDEYVgzj4

https://www.history.com/news/medieval-black-death-was-airborne-scientists-say
You both are right.

Pneumonic plague can be transmitted from person to person; bubonic plague cannot. Pneumonic plague affects the lungs and is transmitted when a person breathes in Y. pestis particles in the air. Bubonic plague is transmitted through the bite of an infected flea or exposure to infected material through a break in the skin.
https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/plague/faq.asp

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/coronavirus.166679/post-1653464