That also applies to barbers, back in those earlier simpler days. But to claim that medical knowledge is hereditary? Sorry but I'd rather take my chances with someone with a diploma, not one with their medical knowledge from Ancestry.com. No offense meant, just my opinion.

No thanks, because I might need you some day and find you in jail. You do know that practicing medicine without a license can end up with you behind bars real quick. Even posting that on here could result in your arrest. Good luck.

 

Because stable, modern, first-world countries don't have separatists & insurrectionists threatening their government.

You are kidding right? Apparently we simply do not agree on that note. Pretty sure the US began with separatist who sought independence. Government needs to be kept in check and should be of, by and for the people. See I believe that silly stuff. The countries you apparently refer to, keep their people under thumb with a gun to their heads. I am not in favor of that type government but you are free to choose your form of government.

Ron

 

If he was working only off of e hand-drawn images in Gray's Anatomy, sketched from dissections of cadavers are nearly impossible to correlate to a blood-filled surgical field. Your ancestor sounds more like an evil menace to society - willing to take his training on live human subjects. I'm sure you have all kind of unconfirmed stories of his occasional "successes". The only thing you inherited is his willingness to try anything on a sick/injured person.

What in God's name are you talking about? He was a venerated doctor of the era! Had you grown up in that part of Texas in fact you would most certainly have heard of him. And of all of the doctors back in those days, he was one of the very few that was even qualified to perform serious surgeries.

It didn't matter if people couldn't pay either. He gave everyone the same quality of service regardless of their financial situation. And as I said, he was apparently truly loved in the community for his compassion and valiant work. (Fun fact: He was also the first person in Beaumont Texas to own an automobile!)

He even went on to become part of Baylor College of Medicine's earliest surgical sciences programs, and to this very day you can still see his picture hanging on the wall there at their campus in Dallas.

As for myself, I never claimed to be a surgeon (although I don't doubt I could do it in a pinch). What I DO claim to be is a person who positively has demonstrated a natural ability for healing others. Maybe that sounds like a whole lot of anecdotal nonsense to you. Well that's fine. You're most definitely entitled to your own opinion...

 

That also applies to barbers, back in those earlier simpler days. But to claim that medical knowledge is hereditary? Sorry but I'd rather take my chances with someone with a diploma, not one with their medical knowledge from Ancestry.com. No offense meant, just my opinion.

Fair enough. But you know the art and science of healing is quite synergistic. Some people are simply wired to "grok" those kinds of things a little better than others. That's all. Now whether or not it's actually passed down through the genes I have no idea. How does a foal know how to walk after birth? God only knows!

 

What in God's name are you talking about? He was a venerated doctor of the era! Had you grown up in that part of Texas in fact you would most certainly have heard of him. And of all of the doctors back in those days, he was one of the very few that was even qualified to perform serious surgeries.

It didn't matter if people couldn't pay either. He gave everyone the same quality of service regardless of their financial situation. And as I said, he was apparently truly loved in the community for his compassion and valiant work. (Fun fact: He was also the first person in Beaumont Texas to own an automobile!)

He even went on to become part of Baylor College of Medicine's earliest surgical sciences programs, and to this very day you can still see his picture hanging on the wall there at their campus in Dallas.

As for myself, I never claimed to be a surgeon (although I don't doubt I could do it in a pinch). What I DO claim to be is a person who positively has demonstrated a natural ability for healing others. Maybe that sounds like a whole lot of anecdotal nonsense to you. Well that's fine. You're most definitely entitled to your own opinion...

Don't worry about it. My grandfather was also a doctor though after your great, great grandfather. My grandfather graduated medical school (Columbia University) in 1907. Long before specialized medicine existed. There is a reason they refer to medicine as a practice, because it is ever evolving and changing. Much like electronics. My grandfather practiced surgery including an emergency appendix removal when I was seven. He delivered myself and three siblings with me the first in 1950. No medicinal knowledge is not hereditary anymore than I pursued electronics because my father did. During the great depression my grandfather treated everyone and when people were too proud to take charity they came with chickens or other live stock. Considering he practiced medicine in Brooklyn NY chickens and an occasional goat in the backyard were not that unusual back then.

To refer to early medicine as a bunch of butchers or a comment like:

Your ancestor sounds more like an evil menace to society - willing to take his training on live human subjects.

Would be nothing short of ignorance from someone with no understanding of the evolution of medicine. Doctors learned from cutting up corpses and from trying what they thought was right on patients, that was as good as it gets and you can't win them all. Anyway do not let nonsense get to you.

Ron

 

They told me to avoid drinking the water. Now I can't even have a beer.

18 months in, i'm convinced there is no water in beer. Drink only beer.

 

politival content temoved

Not in this thread. Now, got anything constructive as to Corona virus because I am not going down that other road in this forum. Got It? What is not in check in current US government? How about spending? How money is spent? Again, not for this forum.

Ron

 

hi Guys,
Although this is in the Off Topic Forum, the TS's Off Topic Thread Title is Coronavirus.

Please stay on the Off Topic, Topic.

Mod.

 

Checking in for my [arbitrary period]ly covid update. Probably half the people I know have had it, so I'm no longer asking "do you know anyone who's had it?" Now asking if you have lost any friends/family members (friends of friends and people on TV don't count). If so,
- delta variant?
- age, health?
- vaccinated or unvaccinated?
- any other relevant details.

My own update:

I still know only one person who has died from it; my daughter's old kindergarten teacher.

My father had it. I had been concerned about him eventually getting it as he has COPD and overall not in great health and it probably would be a death sentence for him. I was encouraging him to get the vaccine as soon as it was released. He did. When he got covid he barely knew it. It wasn't until after he felt funny for several days that he thought it might be covid.

I do these questionnaires in real life. I ask friends, family coworkers these questions. It's my barometer for the true state of things as I don't trust the government or the media to report the unbiased truth. My opinion had been that if you are young & healthy, you would be better off getting the virus and developing antibodies naturally than to get vaccinated, and if you're old or immunocompromized you should probably get the vaccine. Then I started hearing of kids hospitalized and healthy people in their 30s dying from the delta variant, so I/we got vaccinated. I would like to get my two under-12 kids vaccinated but the vaccine is not approved for them yet. The hospitals say you can't visit loved ones in the hospital with Covid but I don't know if that applies to a parent staying with a small child. It would be tragic to have a kid in the ER suffering alone, while you sit safely at home in a vaccinated body.

 

hi strantor,
Clip from UK, ref USA Children
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Coronavirus variants evolve inside infected people. Any infected person. The most common variant now is the Delta variant. New, variants will likely evolve from that most common Delta variant.

The fewer infected people on the planet, the less chance that a new, more easily transmitted and/or more deadly variant will evolve.

 

Coronavirus variants evolve inside infected people. Any infected person. The most common variant now is the Delta variant. New, variants will likely evolve from that most common Delta variant.

The fewer infected people on the planet, the less chance that a new, more easily transmitted and/or more deadly variant will evolve.

That makes total sense to me. As do a whole bucket of other arguments and explanations ranging from total agreement to total opposition. I'm not qualified to assess the merits of the arguments so I look at the data. Not trusting the data that is spoon fed to me I gather my own. Hence this post. If you'd like to provide any, I would accept it with appreciation.

 

Coronavirus variants evolve inside infected people. Any infected person. The most common variant now is the Delta variant. New, variants will likely evolve from that most common Delta variant.

The fewer infected people on the planet, the less chance that a new, more easily transmitted and/or more deadly variant will evolve.

Then there is an slightly different line or reasoning which states that variants emerge from vaccinated people. What else would the virus to adopt new characteristics and suppress those that did not carry the mutation? The best way to get a new variant is to vaccinate people during a plague. No -think about that for a minute to ten.

 

Then there is an slightly different line or reasoning which states that variants emerge from vaccinated people. What else would the virus to adopt new characteristics and suppress those that did not carry the mutation? The best way to get a new variant is to vaccinate people during a plague. No -think about that for a minute.

Exactly what I'm talking about. "Slightly different" is an understatement; that's closer to "completely opposite." And it makes just as much sense. I've given up on understanding the whats and the whys. It would take me years of dedicated research to know who is right, and even then, it seems that among the community of people who already have years of such compiled knowledge there is no consensus. So I am forced to take a pragmatic approach. Based on my own pool of collected data, Am I likely to become infected and Is this likely to kill me? Yes? Vaccinate. No? No. Witv the arrival of Delta my answer changed from "no" to "maybe" so I rounded up to "yes" and Vaccinated. Still looking for more data though, so if you have any, please share.

 

hi strantor,
Clip from UK, ref USA Children
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I'm for mask mandates at school because the HVAC in most schools is a joke. Ventilation is much more effective in preventing the spread than cloth or surgical masks that are at most 10% effective in scientific tests of viral spread.
No state is preventing masking on children at school. If you, as a parent want to mask your child, it's perfectly OK in every state without a mask MANDATE.

 

Then there is an slightly different line or reasoning which states that variants emerge from vaccinated people. What else would the virus to adopt new characteristics and suppress those that did not carry the mutation? The best way to get a new variant is to vaccinate people during a plague. No -think about that for a minute to ten.

Yes, think about it and discard the idea when you think about the alternative of sickness and death on a scale as was seen in India during the first delta wave that came from unvaccinated India.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/coronavirus-how-india-is-doing-now-after-delta-variant-spread.html

But what of India where the delta variant first emerged in October?

The situation is still bad, data shows, but not as bad as it was when the second wave peaked in the country, when daily new cases were more than 400,000. On May 7, India reported a staggering 414,188 new infections and several thousand deaths.

Fortunately, cases have declined significantly since then. On Thursday, India reported 41,383 new coronavirus infections and 507 new deaths, the Indian Health Ministry tweeted.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...-evidence-behind-such-claims/?sh=635461a3281d

Did Covid-19 Vaccines Cause Coronavirus Delta Variants? Here’s What The Timing Says

There is however one big flaw in such claims. It has to do with the space-time continuum and the lack of a flux capacitor.
Usually a cause has to come before an effect. For example, the song “Friday” by Rebecca Black did not cause the stock market crash of 1929. That’s because the song came out in 2011. And Rebecca Black to the best of our knowledge does not have a time machine.
...
The same logic should apply when considering the origins of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Delta variant. Take a look at the “Tracking SARS-CoV-2 variants” website from the World Health Organization (WHO). This shows when the different “Variants of Concern” and “Variants of Interest” were first detected. As you can see, all of these variants emerged in 2020. Of the Variants of Concern, the Alpha variant was first found in the United Kingdom (U.K.) in September 2020, the Beta variant in South Africa in May 2020, the Gamma variant in Brazil in November 2020, and the Delta variant in India in October 2020. Of the Variants of Interest, the Eta variant was first detected in multiple countries in December 2020, the Iota in the U.S. in November 2020, the Kappa in India in October 2020, and the Lamba variant in Peru in December 2020.

Next keep in mind when Covid-19 vaccination actually started in different parts of the world. As Krishna N. Das and Mayank Bhardwaj reported for Reuters, Covid-19 vaccination didn’t really begin in India until January 2021, about three months after the Delta variant had emerged. Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna did not receive emergency use authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for their Covid-19 mRNA vaccines until December 2020, the same month that the Astra-Zeneca Covid-19 vaccine first received authorization in the U.K. All of this was after all four of the Variants of Concern had already been spreading.

Transission control is the single most important variable in the rates of mutations. High number of infected individuals and low rates of vaccination obviously increase the chances. When a large fraction of the population is vaccinated the uninfected/unvaccinated will be the main progenitors of resistant strain evolution. Immunocompromised individuals (like me) are getting boosters early to reduce them as possible vaccine variant resistant hosts breeders.

 

Yes, think about it and discard the idea when you think about the alternative of sickness and death on a scale as was seen in India during the first delta wave that came from unvaccinated India.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/coronavirus-how-india-is-doing-now-after-delta-variant-spread.html


https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...-evidence-behind-such-claims/?sh=635461a3281d

Did Covid-19 Vaccines Cause Coronavirus Delta Variants? Here’s What The Timing Says

While this is true, now you have a virus circulating in a mixed population of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. I wonder how that will go? Since the vaccine does not actually stop transmission, it is a perfect recepie for a never ending race of vaccine vs. virus.

My personal calculation - i got my 2 shots since I work at the hospital. I will not be getting any "boosters".

I dont know anyone who died from covid. Half my family back home had it, including my diabetic aunt. It was not more than a cold. I am not sure if they were vaccinated at that point.

It will be 2 years of this soon and the way it is going we are looking at many more as a whole as there are no real solutions. As someone working in healthcare I am actually really tired because everyone around is screaming "do it for the nurses" while healthcare (in Canada) has been systematically dismantled over the years and is in shambles. For years everyone is running shortstaffed and overwhelmed and it is suddenly an issue because of a "pandemic"? I call BS.

 

Any poison, like ivermectin (a worm poison), will activate the immune system to various degrees and cause some type of an allergic reaction (all associated responses). Good luck to those taking it. The large pills from the Farm & Feed stores are cheaper and peanut butter flavored.

everything is a poison - and a medicine... it is all matter of dose and situation.
one cannot blame people for putting their trust into something that already has approval when there is still no approved Covid vaccine.

but using animal medication clearly is not the best choice. perhaps something to attempt in emergencies with no other option around...

the most disturbing part (for me at least) is that news is completely weaponized to push for certain agenda, instead of looking at the facts and stating what the findings are.

not sure how many shooting victims are queuing up in Oklahoma ERs, some reports make it sound like a warzone. on the other hand, actual hospitals are denying such claims.

https://nhssequoyah.com/

 

While this is true, now you have a virus circulating in a mixed population of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. I wonder how that will go? Since the vaccine does not actually stop transmission, it is a perfect recepie for a never ending race of vaccine vs. virus.

My personal calculation - i got my 2 shots since I work at the hospital. I will not be getting any "boosters".

I dont know anyone who died from covid. Half my family back home had it, including my diabetic aunt. It was not more than a cold. I am not sure if they were vaccinated at that point.

It will be 2 years of this soon and the way it is going we are looking at many more as a whole as there are no real solutions. As someone working in healthcare I am actually really tired because everyone around is screaming "do it for the nurses" while healthcare (in Canada) has been systematically dismantled over the years and is in shambles. For years everyone is running shortstaffed and overwhelmed and it is suddenly an issue because of a "pandemic"? I call BS.

The problem is not really vaccine vs virus, it's immunity vs virus. The virus is perfectly capable of producing more infectious strains from the effects of human immunity without vaccine immunity in the mix when transmission is unchecked.

The way it should go, for all of us that can, is to get vaccinated to increase population immunity levels to reduce (the vaccine is effective in reducing transmission) transmission to the lowest levels possible. Natural immunity will eventually fill the vaccine gap to reduce transmission levels. It's a never ending race of immunity vs. virus no matter what we do but we can reduce that race to a manageable low level.

 

Of people are poisoning themselves with ivermectin, it is likely because they cannot do basic math to properly figure out a dose requirement. No child left behind...

Next time someone asks why I need to know fractions or even proportions, here is your example...