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nsaspook

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Now all of the fearful people that claimed to be waiting for full approval will now say they don't trust the FDA.

They can run TV commercial's now so that might be helpful.
 
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nsaspook

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08...-in-different-places-than-previously-thought/
Swartzberg thinks — and the new death data suggests — it’s entirely possible that COVID was present in the United States as early as December or even November. The time from infection to death from COVID is typically around three weeks.

“I would certainly guess the virus was introduced on multiple occasions before it was identified as a problem,” Swartzberg said, noting that states like Alabama and Oklahoma don’t generally see a lot of travel to and from China.

Memoli of the National Institutes of Health agrees.

“I always thought it had to have been here in the U.S. well before we identified it as a big problem,” Memoli said.
 

nsaspook

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I thought how it got to the USA was through Europe, Italy if I remember correctly?
Most of the early infections on the east coast (NYC) were traced to Europe but that was after most of the very early, now confirmed cases.

https://www.mountsinai.org/about/ne...are-primarily-from-european-and-us-sources-pr

  • New York, NY
  • (June 02, 2020)

New York City’s first confirmed COVID-19 cases are from primarily European and United States sources, according to the first molecular epidemiology study of SARS-CoV-2. The study, published in the journal Science and led by Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (ISMMS) researchers, is the first to trace the source of these cases and show that the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic in New York City predominately arose through untracked transmission between the United States and Europe, with limited evidence to support any direct introductions from China, where the virus originated, or other locations in Asia. The researchers also documented early community spread of SARS-CoV-2 in New York City during that time.
 

JohnInTX

Joined Jun 26, 2012
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Report from the field:

Based on seeing in-store signs everywhere, Costco, CVS, Walgreens, grocery stores, awhile back exhorting all to come right in and get vaxxed, I tried today at 3 places to get the Moderna booster. All were sticking to the 'severely compromised immunity system' guidlines so no go until 9/20. One pharmacist indicated that while vax supplies were 'sufficient' there was no longer a surplus - Delta has apparently motivated some fence-sitters. Good news for Montgomery county which hasn't been real good in managing Covid..

TX Gov. Abbott has thrown in the towel and won't enforce his prohibitions on mask mandates in schools. Too many kids and teachers got positive right after in-person schools opened. He blames it on pending legal actions in the TX Supreme Court but it's going to be a ding on his re-election and then Presidential aspirations.

I wrote awhile back about my ER-pediatrician daughter and what's happening on the ground. Since then, 4 breakthrough cases among vaxxed docs (not her), a divorce and a nurse shortage. The nurse shortage is kind of self-inflicted as a different hospital chain dismissed about 150 nurses because they wouldn't get the jab. Now they are offering sweet deals for anyone with an RN. Pay has again been cut (no elective surgeries - beds are full of CV-19), hours increased (sick-doc and adios-nurse shortage) and schedules mangled because, basically, that's they way it's always been done. No sense in actually thinking and adapting to today's realities. Several docs (including her) are circulating their CVs. That's a sad thing. At her graduation from med school the dean told me that he thought she was one of the finest diagnosticians he'd ever taught. Nice to have in an ER. But she's only one of several that are making other plans.

Talking to her doc-friends, it pretty much comes down to whenCV-19 was rampant, nobody knew what to do, docs and nurses rallied and did what they could with success and unfortunately 640K failures. We had the first-article vax in January. There were problems with deployment but even with that, the vaxx rate started to plateau in Apr/May because there were a lot of idiots folks that for whatever reason did not/would not take the vaxx and argue with/spit at/threaten them/impugn their integrity when the patients are told the sad news that they are positive-or worse. Docs and nurses are torn between their LIFELONG commitment to heal and the reality that they have to deal with insanity on an almost daily basis and that their own families are put at risk because someone thinks Tucker Carlson or someone on Facebook has all the answers. 'We want to do as we damned well please based on whatever we want to believe because FREEEE.....DOM!!!! but if we get sick, we DEMAND that you put yourself and your can't-be-vaccinated children at risk and maybe work another unpaid shift on our behalf'. Docs are not stupid people. The ones I know are young and at the top of their game and will seek other ways to employ their talents.

Good luck with all of that.
 
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DickCappels

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naspook:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08...-in-different-places-than-previously-thought/

Swartzberg thinks — and the new death data suggests — it’s entirely possible that COVID was present in the United States as early as December or even November. The time from infection to death from COVID is typically around three weeks.

“I would certainly guess the virus was introduced on multiple occasions before it was identified as a problem,” Swartzberg said, noting that states like Alabama and Oklahoma don’t generally see a lot of travel to and from China.

Memoli of the National Institutes of Health agrees.

“I always thought it had to have been here in the U.S. well before we identified it as a big problem,” Memoli said.
\end of quote.

My daughter and her daughter and her daughter's boyfriend in a small town in Colorado all had it in November 2019, thinking it was a cold. Months later it was confirmed by blood tests to be the Covid-19 virus (when they had it Covid-19 was not an issue in the U.S.)
 

nsaspook

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COVID-19 pandemic's origins have been driven by narrative, not evidence. The evidence suggests the virus likely was in circulation long before the 'lab leak Hypothesis'.

That doesn't take China off the hook for being a prime factor for the spread of the pandemic. They had/have plenty motivation to hide/cover-up other questionable activities connected to this event.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ak-theory-is-more-about-politics-than-science
In other words, fiddling with viruses in laboratories is not the dangerous activity. The real threat comes from the wildlife trade, bulldozing rainforests and clearing wildernesses to provide land for farms and to gain access to mines. As vegetation and wildlife are destroyed, countless species of viruses and the bacteria they host are set loose to seek new hosts, such as humans and domestic livestock. This has happened with HIV, Sars and very probably Covid-19.

And that, for many scientists, is the real lesson of Covid-19.
 

nsaspook

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Sadly my state is getting hammered. Please vaccinate to save lives.

https://apnews.com/article/oregon-coronavirus-pandemic-hospitals-b6ed1292d5e50d3ec48c2872e7149261

Oregon’s early success against the virus may have helped fuel the delta variant’s toll on the state, because the aggressive measures to curb the first surge left many population pockets with no immunity. And though some 72% of adults statewide are at least partially vaccinated, that number drops to less than 50% in 10 of Oregon’s 36 counties.

Oregon’s low immunity level, considering previous infection rates and the number of unvaccinated people, creates a high risk for new infections, said Renee Edwards, chief medical officer at Oregon Health & Science University in Portland.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210824/hawaii-discourages-tourists-as-covid-rates-rise

It's the catch-22. If you used harsh measures to prevent infections early then your population is ripe for the picking now during the delta wave.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210824/hawaii-discourages-tourists-as-covid-rates-rise
Aug. 24, 2021 -- Hawaii is discouraging travelers from visiting the state as COVID-19 cases surge due to the Delta variant, straining hospitals and health care workers.

Gov. David Ige asked tourists to stay away and advised residents to limit travel to essential businesses through the end of October.

“Now is not a good time to visit Hawaii,” he said on the Honolulu Star-Advertiser’s livestream program on Monday. “The visitors who choose to come to the island will not have the typical kind of holiday that they expect to get when they visit Hawaii.”

Ige’s remarks came on the same day that the island of Oahu announced new restrictions. Starting Wednesday, indoor gatherings of more than 10 people and outdoor gatherings of more than 25 people will be prohibited. The new rule will remain in place for at least 4 weeks and will affect all events, including ones that are professionally organized such as trade shows, conventions, and concerts.

“We really thought we saw the light at the end of the tunnel, but over the last several weeks, cases have surged and the Delta variant has proved to be more than formidable,” Rick Blangiardi, Oahu’s mayor, said during a news conference on Monday.
 

nsaspook

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https://apnews.com/article/lifestyl...ravel-israel-c9d6106540c76a48b7de2ba37d888897
TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — New daily coronavirus infections in Israel are approaching record levels, despite the country’s largely successful vaccination campaign and the recent rollout of the world’s first widespread booster shot.

The spread of the virus has been driven by a surge in the delta variant — even among the vaccinated — and sparked talk of crackdowns on gatherings ahead of the holiest days of the Jewish calendar.

The government recorded 9,831 new cases on Monday, the highest single-day figure since Jan. 18, when 10,118 new cases were detected, Israel’s record for the pandemic.

In between, Israel led one of the world’s fastest vaccination drives that seemed to turn the tide on the pandemic. A low of a dozen new cases on May 22 kicked off what was expected to be a go-go summer of tourism, concerts and the giddy return of crowds to Israel’s restaurants and outdoor marketplaces.
We will need Vaccine Booster Passports if the latest from Israel happens here.
 

nsaspook

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https://apnews.com/article/entertai...rus-pandemic-947bd5fe02d802978cf4318f5ab93e40
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — People in Oregon, regardless of vaccination status, will once again be required to wear masks in most public outdoor settings — including large outdoor events where physical distancing is not possible — beginning Friday.

The mandate, announced Tuesday by Gov. Kate Brown, is part of a growing list of statewide requirements implemented in Oregon in an attempt to slow the rapid spread of COVID-19.

Oregon is one of a handful of states with an indoor mask mandate in effect. But it’s the first to reinstitute a statewide mask requirement for outdoor public areas where people are close together, according to the governor’s office.
This will be almost impossible to enforce at events like an outdoor music festival. People (hopefully all vaccinated) will just have a drink at their face at all times.

This is the weekly music scene down the street at: https://www.google.com/maps/place/M...d45.5373482!4d-122.4071073!14m1!1BCgIgARICGAI

edgefieldconcerts.jpg
 
All those people crowded together at an outdoor concert and without being checked for vaccinations is not allowed in a civilized country because it is a virus super spreader.
 

Reloadron

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All those people crowded together at an outdoor concert and without being checked for vaccinations is not allowed in a civilized country because it is a virus super spreader.
So you are saying that in the US the state of Oregon is an uncivilized country? You do understand that in the US each state has, to some degree state rule don't you? You have no clue apparently how government works below the Canadian border. Oregon is not an uncivilized country but rather a state within the United States which is a country but certainly not an uncivilized country. Simply put the US does not have a parliamentary democracy as Canada does. Things work differently under the US form of government.

Ron
 

Reloadron

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We also have the highest death rate due to covid in the world. YES! We're #1
Agreed. However you can't call the state of Oregon an uncivilized country. C'mon, look at an image of a music festival in Oregon and call it an uncivilized country? Got my vaccination and when available I'll get a booster. Each state gets to handle things as they choose and Oregon come election time can choose to replace their governor. Regardless Oregon is not an uncivilized country, not in how I learned it anyway.

Also. per capita globally where do you see the US as #1? This is what I see and it does not have the US as #1. Then too with so many skewed numbers I am not quick to believe most of what I read. :(

Ron
 
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