What strategy ended the 1918 flu epidemic? It is a rhetorical question.

The same strategy that could end this one in in a 5 to 6 week timeframe. Masks, social distancing, keeping the kids at home, minimizing all travel.

 

The same strategy that could end this one in in a 5 to 6 week timeframe. Masks, social distancing, keeping the kids at home, minimizing all travel.

Sure, a simplistic strategy at the same mental level as anti-vaxx rambling will end this.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08...shed-vietnam-covid-19-success-story/100361376

Its combination of strict border closures, its quarantine system and uncompromising lockdowns meant Vietnam did not see a single coronavirus-related death in the first six months of the pandemic.
But now the country has had more than 4,000 deaths, including 388 reported on Tuesday.
More than 90 per cent of its 230,000 cases have been recorded since May this year.
...
Ms Tú Anh said there would be many people who did not have enough food to survive.

"We say … people don't die [from] COVID, but die because of starvation," she said.

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/arti...extends-lockdown-delta-cases-rise-philippines

Vietnam
will deploy troops in Ho Chi Minh City and prohibit residents from leaving their homes, authorities said on Friday, as the country’s biggest city turns to drastic measures to slow a spiralling rate of coronavirus deaths.

Vietnam’s toughest order yet comes amid a spike in fatalities and infections, despite weeks of lockdown measures in the business hub of 9 million people, the epicentre of the country’s deadliest outbreak.
“We are asking people to stay where you are, not to go outside. Each home, company, factory should be an antivirus fort,” Pham Duc Hai, deputy head of the city’s coronavirus authority, said on Friday.
The government said it was preparing to mobilise police and military to enforce the lockdown and deliver food supplies to citizens.

Thailand hits 1 million cases
Thailand passed the 1 million mark in coronavirus cases on Friday, 97 per cent of which were recorded in the past five months, as the country struggles to get on top of one of Asia’s most severe outbreaks.
Authorities on Friday reported 19,851 cases and 240 fatalities, taking total confirmed infections past 1 million and deaths to 8,826.
Thailand had kept the coronavirus largely under control and enjoyed only partial social restrictions for much of the pandemic until it was hit in April by the virulent Alpha variant, followed later by the Delta variant, at a time when few people were vaccinated.

 

Ahh Walmart, psoriatic arthritis, Hmmm, I’m going to push back on the freaking Vietnamese Med student with that one, didn’t even think about that, I have that too! He will argue like that day I was in, little bugger was pretty Ugly about it all.

Now now I didn’t let on he was on my nerve either, I was polite, but he will meet the real me tomorrow.

He he he

kv

I hit the guy up at wallmart with the same request, boy these guys are serious, from India. Really went into the why etc. I thought I would just ask, wasn’t going to do it, started feeling sick anyway. Sept is dated roll out I guess for folks, I could tell he would have but hands tide was not an option. I couldn’t produce a valid prescription even though I use anti-inflammatory homeopathic ways for the pain and skin inflammation, it’s working well, even showed him my leg issue not good enough lol but, never know maybe waiting is good, maybe not? But, no need to press at this point. Little guy at Sam’s Club is correct, can’t deny he‘s following protocol.

Who can fault him for that.

Moving on here.

kv

 

Wow, only a 7.5% vaccination rate? I have to wonder how available is vaccine in Thailand? That's something which bothers me is when we read about low, really low vaccination rates how available is vaccine? At the onset even Australia suffered from low to no availability.

Ron

 

Wow, only a 7.5% vaccination rate? I have to wonder how available is vaccine in Thailand? That's something which bothers me is when we read about low, really low vaccination rates how available is vaccine? At the onset even Australia suffered from low to no availability.

Ron

Sad stories of missed opportunity and typical human nature.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-in-southeast-asia-current-situation-and-outlook

Ineffective vaccine distribution, under-resourced healthcare systems, and vaccine hesitancy all contribute to the current record COVID-19 case numbers in the region.

People want the vaccine in southeast Asia but can't get it.
We have plenty of vaccine here but some people don't want it until fear changes their minds.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/20/health/us-coronavirus-friday/index.html

With an alarming rise in Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations, more Americans have recently made the decision to get vaccinated than in the last six weeks.
More than 1 million doses of the vaccine were reported administered Thursday, new US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data showed, marking the first time since early July for the single-day change in reported doses. The average pace of those initiating vaccination is more than 70% higher than one month ago.

Oklahoma and Louisiana -- two states that have lagged the rest of the nation in vaccinations -- are now outpacing the national average, White House Covid-19 Response Team Chief of Staff Asma Mirza said in calls with local faith leaders Thursday.
"We're seeing a new willingness, a new openness to getting vaccinated," she said in a discussion with Louisiana faith leaders.

 

some people don't want it until fear changes their minds.

 

Wow, only a 7.5% vaccination rate? I have to wonder how available is vaccine in Thailand? That's something which bothers me is when we read about low, really low vaccination rates how available is vaccine? At the onset even Australia suffered from low to no availability.

Ron

It is not available to ordinary people who are not in Bangkok where most of the active infections are to be found. In spite of regular announcements prompting foreigners over 60 to register for immunization, when the time comes there isn't any available through most of the country. The prospects look better next year when vaccines on order start to turn up and when the vaccines made in Thailand stop being sold outside the country (at least that is what people are trying to make happen

 

https://news.yahoo.com/virologist-suggests-coronavirus-origin-theorists-204106053.html

COVID-19 origin theorists could be right about a Chinese government cover-up, but they might have their sights set in the wrong direction, an American virologist suggested to Bloomberg.

When an international group of experts organized by the World Health Organization traveled to Wuhan, China, earlier this year to research the origins of the coronavirus that sparked the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, they visited the Baishazhou market, which is larger, but perhaps less well-known (internationally, at least) than the Huanan market, where many people initially believed the virus first jumped from wild animals to humans.

The research team was told only frozen foods, ingredients, and kitchenware were sold there. But a recently released study that had previously languished in publishing limbo showed, thanks to data meticulously collected over 30 months, that at least two vendors there regularly sold live wild animals, Bloomberg reports. Bloomberg also notes that one of the earliest recorded COVID-19 clusters in Wuhan involved a Huanan stall employee who traded goods back and forth between the two markets.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/virologist-suggests-coronavirus-origin-theorists-204106053.html

I do not blame either a market, a lab, nor even a freaking way of life for this conundrum ... a pandemic such as the one we're going through was inevitable simply because humankind's habitat has expanded too much and it's invading space that's been naturally reserved for countless of other species since eons ago ...

I do entirely blame a particular government, though ... may the people responsible for this mess eventually pay the (or at least, a) price ... but that's only wishful thinking from my part.

 

Update her condition has improved, out of ICU. Is believed to be the Delta Variant, she was visiting her children in Florida.

Intubation removed, now doing rehab. Risk of infection still a concern, however showing improvement. My wife attended her daughters wedding, I stay’ed away as usual. Wasn’t felling all that great anyway. Yet, still able to perform my job, worked yesterday. Her daughter who also owns a daycare in Florida was in Town, staying away from that lol and BTW they all have been in the daycare business for over 40 years.

My wife is an educator pre-school and going back to a new school on Monday, I wonder if each of their immune systems have built up a form of resistance over the years, something I contemplate every so often. Falls in a category Unknown to Science or at least not a study I’m aware of? I’m told you get really sick if you stay in daycare, it’s true, I used to clean the daycare for extra work, and BTW was always sick for years after I married my wife, I’m sure she drug home from the center, immune to it most likely, but deadly to me.

My Wife found out her friend was in the hospital with the Virus, not sure which type but, her medical history is poor, she has holes in her heart from phen phen use, I personally feel my mother also was a victim of this as well, no proof no post mortem proof. My father wouldn’t allow it, my curiosity still lingers. I’ll fated or just a pharmaceutical drug causing a healthy body to deteriorate. Anyway, she’s now on a ventilator, my wife said she was foolish to listen to the crowd saying don’t VAX cause this or that, she is easily manipulated, always has been.

Stay safe out there,
kv

 

Sure, a simplistic strategy at the same mental level as anti-vaxx rambling will end this.

As for myself, I have always advocated vaccines to pretty much everyone however I do feel that it is a personal decision. To misconstrue that as being "anti-vax" IMO is disingenuous, at best.

Your point about the stats was not missed. And while true, I had presented them in a naive, pre-Bayesian fashion, the fact remains that this old-fashioned metric is not ENTIRELY incorrect. It is an inexact approximation, yes, but much the same as Newtonian physics versus Relativity. Your interpretation was simply "more correct". But my interpretation was nonetheless valid in context, and indeed if we saw only 10% new admissions being of the vaccinated then no one would have even raised the question.

The vaccines are not a panacea, which is completely understandable. It's to be expected with ANY flu-like virus (as they are of course particularly prone to mutate into new variants). The best you can do is vaccinate if you are worried about getting sick and do your best to protect yourself by wearing a mask, keeping a distance from others, whatever.

But we all do need to get on with life.

 

As for myself, I have always advocated vaccines to pretty much everyone however I do feel that it is a personal decision. To misconstrue that as being "anti-vax" IMO is disingenuous, at best.

Your point about the stats was not missed. And while true, I had presented them in a naive, pre-Bayesian fashion, the fact remains that this old-fashioned metric is not ENTIRELY incorrect. It is an inexact approximation, yes, but much the same as Newtonian physics versus Relativity. Your interpretation was simply "more correct". But my interpretation was nonetheless valid in context, and indeed if we saw only 10% new admissions being of the vaccinated then no one would have even raised the question.

The vaccines are not a panacea, which is completely understandable. It's to be expected with ANY flu-like virus (as they are of course particularly prone to mutate into new variants). The best you can do is vaccinate if you are worried about getting sick and do your best to protect yourself by wearing a mask, keeping a distance from others, whatever.

But we all do need to get on with life.

I try to make a distinction with the vaccine fearful from the nutcase anit-vaxx conspiracy groups that are using deliberate lies to influence the people with fear to the point that good people are on their death beds before realizing the lies they have been told. The fearful can usually be reasoned with once they see that fear is the lesser of evils.

This is the reality with the delta variant of the virus once it gets into your population. You can greatly lower the levels of sickness and death with vaccines but you're unlikely to eliminate it.
https://english.kyodonews.net/news/...des-return-to-zero-covid-highly-unlikely.html

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Sunday that it is time to shift focus from case numbers to hospitalizations, as widespread outbreaks of the highly infectious Delta variant make it "highly unlikely" Australia will return to zero cases of community transmission.

The admission marks a big shift in Australia's until now largely successful elimination strategy that has seen strict border restrictions and snap lockdowns as the central features of the country's pandemic response.

In an opinion piece published by The Sunday Telegraph, Morrison emphasized that Australians "must not be intimidated by the case numbers that will inevitably increase" once restrictions are eased.

The simplistic strategy of elimination uisng X and X and X is running quickly out of gas.

 

Update her condition has improved, out of ICU. Is believed to be the Delta Variant, she was visiting her children in Florida.

Intubation removed, now doing rehab. Risk of infection still a concern, however showing improvement. My wife attended her daughters wedding, I stay’ed away as usual. Wasn’t felling all that great anyway. Yet, still able to perform my job, worked yesterday. Her daughter who also owns a daycare in Florida was in Town, staying away from that lol and BTW they all have been in the daycare business for over 40 years.

My wife is an educator pre-school and going back to a new school on Monday, I wonder if each of their immune systems have built up a form of resistance over the years, something I contemplate every so often. Falls in a category Unknown to Science or at least not a study I’m aware of? I’m told you get really sick if you stay in daycare, it’s true, I used to clean the daycare for extra work, and BTW was always sick for years after I married my wife, I’m sure she drug home from the center, immune to it most likely, but deadly to me.



Stay safe out there,
kv

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/coronavirus.166679/post-1659641
Ventilation, ventilation, ventilation is what's needed in schools.

Not surprising research results.
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100

Experimental investigation of indoor aerosol dispersion and accumulation in the context of COVID-19: Effects of masks and ventilation

The results demonstrate that the apparent exhalation filtration efficiency is significantly lower than the ideal filtration efficiency of the mask material. Nevertheless, high-efficiency masks, such as the KN95, still offer substantially higher apparent filtration efficiencies (60% and 46% for R95 and KN95 masks, respectively) than the more commonly used cloth (10%) and surgical masks (12%), and therefore are still the recommended choice in mitigating airborne disease transmission indoors. The results also suggest that, while higher ventilation capacities are required to fully mitigate aerosol build-up, even relatively low air-change rates (2 h−12 h−1) lead to lower aerosol build-up compared to the best performing mask in an unventilated space.

 

I try to make a distinction with the vaccine fearful from the nutcase anit-vaxx conspiracy groups that are using deliberate lies to influence the people with fear to the point that good people are on their death beds before realizing the lies they have been told. The fearful can usually be reasoned with once they see that fear is the lesser of evils.

It's too bad that the doubters sometimes pay the ultimate price for their hesitancy:

Phil Valentine, radio host who regretted vaccine skepticism, dies of Covid-19​

At least he admitted his mistake and encouraged others to get vaccinated... unlike some other politicians and public figures that I know of that contracted the virus and still won't change their message.

 

It's too bad that the doubters sometimes pay the ultimate price for their hesitancy:

Phil Valentine, radio host who regretted vaccine skepticism, dies of Covid-19​

At least he admitted his mistake and encouraged others to get vaccinated... unlike some other politicians and public figures that I know of that contracted the virus and still won't change their message.

Even the politicians (including the one whose name can't be spoken) that have contracted the virus and are promoting vaccination are being booed when telling followers to get vaccinated.

The traditional anti-vaccination groups (that have existed since vaccines were used as medical treatments) have used the pandemic to push their agenda into large groups of fearful people. Unfortunately that agenda is leading to possible life long suffering and even death to those that believe that tripe.

 

Unfortunately that agenda is leading to possible life long suffering and even death to those that believe that tripe.

I hear you... for some, the consequences might turn out to be even worse than death.

 

I hear you... for some, the consequences might turn out to be even worse than death.

Marriage?

Ron

 

https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-2fcf35918ce407462dc3a25d983fe7b7

 

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