Hi xox,
Your maths need work.

E

It's an easy fix.

XOX is another unwitting victim of COVID Vaccinations and the Base Rate Fallacy.

 

hi, @xox
Check out these documents.

E
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...3-percent-effective-six-months-after-n1276020

 

The good news for Oregon is that cases from the Delta wave are peaking or slightly decreasing in some of the most populated counties with high vax rates.

Fear is winning in Florida.
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/17/1028538495/florida-covid-vaccinations-skeptics-shots-changing-minds

"All of a sudden, it hit real close to home," he said.

West is not alone. In this inland area of Nassau County, sandwiched between Jacksonville and the Okefenokee Swamp at the Georgia-Florida line, a devastating resurgence of the coronavirus is making even some die-hard vaccine skeptics reconsider the shots.

"I've seen fear grip people like never before," said Dwight Allen, pastor of a 200-member congregation at The Anchor Church of God. When members ask him questions about the shot, Allen tells them he got jabbed with no ill side effects.

"I ain't sold that this vaccine is the answer," Kenny Sims said. "But I believe it's the lesser of two evils."

 

97% of people in Canada who go to a hospital for treatment of covid-19 severe symptoms today, are unvaccinated. The few fully vaccinated people who need hospital treatment do not have it severely.
Some fully vaccinated people who do not do the important social distancing and who do not wear masks when shopping are tested to have the virus and are spreading it but they have no symptoms. They spread it for a shorter time period than unvaccinated people.

Fine, just ignore the numbers I provided which showed that not to be the case. Perhaps it is really so in Canada, but most likely it is not. Many (much like yourself) would do anything to obscure the true numbers. So unfortunately it is very difficult to say with any real certainty.

 

Check out these documents.

Nice! A testimonial from the company that manufactures the vaccine. I assume that come along with the press kit?

Seriously now. Many regions have reported the exact contrary. So what about those...just anomalies, you say?

 

Then when did you get your second one? I ask because you may have jumped the gun on helping yourself.
According to Dr. Peter Hotez they pushed out the second shot too close to the first one, for full efficacy of the vaccine. Then if you get the third one too quickly are you just jumping the gun?

Quote, "For starters, a longer duration between the second and third dose may provide stronger and longer-lasting immunity, experts said.

Peter Hotez, MD, PhD, of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said on CNN Monday night that a 3-week interval between the first and second doses of Pfizer's mRNA vaccine, for instance, may not have been enough time to spur an extended immune response, with the initial shots acting only as a primary immunization."
From - https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/94089

I got my second shot almost 5 month ago. This shot was NOT a booster, it was a extra shot for the immune system compromised from a existing medical condition like sickle cell or G6PD.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html

• This additional dose intended to improve immunocompromised people’s response to their initial vaccine series is not the same as a booster dose, given to people when the immune response to a primary vaccine series is likely to have waned over time.

People who are moderately to severely immunocompromised make up about 3% of the adult population and are especially vulnerable to COVID-19 because they are more at risk of serious, prolonged illness.

Studies indicate some immunocompromised people don’t always build the same level of immunity after vaccination the way non-immunocompromised people do, and may benefit from an additional dose to ensure adequate protection against COVID-19. In small studies pdf icon[2 MB, 36 Pages], fully vaccinated immunocompromised people have accounted for a large proportion of hospitalized “breakthrough cases,” and that suggests immunocompromised people are more likely to transmit the virus to household contacts.

I don't want to be a breakthrough case and transmit the Delta virus.

 

Got my 3rd Moderna shot today since I'm on the immunosuppressed list due to my psoriatic arthritis medication. Not from my doctor this time (they don't have it) but from Wal-Mart after about 30 minutes of bureaucracy and signing waivers to release them of any liability. Vaxed rate is only 33% in my area and the schools have already shut back down for "deep cleaning" and the courthouse is once again closed due to another Covid outbreak of the employees.

 

Got my 3rd Moderna shot today since I'm on the immunosuppressed list due to my psoriatic arthritis medication. Not from my doctor this time (they don't have it) but from Wal-Mart after about 30 minutes of bureaucracy and signing waivers to release them of any liability. Vaxed rate is only 33% in my area and the schools have already shut back down for "deep cleaning" and the courthouse is once again closed due to another Covid outbreak of the employees.

Very good news. Those that qualify for the 3rd shot should do it now before the expected booster shot lines next month. It's walk-ins only at the locals for the 3rd shot.

 

Very good news. Those that qualify for the 3rd shot should do it now before the expected booster shot lines next month. It's walk-ins only at the locals for the 3rd shot.

Ahh Walmart, psoriatic arthritis, Hmmm, I’m going to push back on the freaking Vietnamese Med student with that one, didn’t even think about that, I have that too! He will argue like that day I was in, little bugger was pretty Ugly about it all.

Now now I didn’t let on he was on my nerve either, I was polite, but he will meet the real me tomorrow.

He he he

kv

 

Sounds almost like you're looking forward to it?

 

Sounds almost like you're looking forward to it?

Um, ya.

kv

 

Sounds almost like you're looking forward to it?

I would be. It's still a small risk number in the total population but why take the risk of no shot if the CDC recommends it for 3% of the population when 44 percent of hospitalized breakthrough cases in the U.S. are among immunocompromised people.

https://abc7chicago.com/3-senators-covid-test-positive-with-john-hickenlooper/10962605/

3 senators test positive for COVID-19 in breakthrough cases

Sens. Angus King, I-Maine, Roger Wicker, R-Miss., and John Hickenlooper, D-Colo., all said they have tested positive for COVID

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. had announced Aug. 2 that he had tested positive for COVID-19 despite being vaccinated.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...ster-vaccines-for-all-over-50s-may-be-shelved

Britain's mass rollout of Covid-19 booster vaccines for all over-50s may be shelved

Oxford vaccine chief Andrew Pollard said earlier this month that booster shots for Covid-19 vaccines were not currently needed by Britain and the doses should be given to other countries.

Britain had been planning for a Covid-19 vaccine booster programme, and health minister Sajid Javid said he expected the programme to begin in early September, pending final advice from officials.

 

Today, 75% of Canadians (eligible, not young kids) are fully vaccinated.
75% of Canadians also want vaccination proof passports to keep the unvaxed people away from us.
Only 0.8% of hospitalizations with the virus are with fully vaccinated people, maybe because they did not get a flu shot.

 

To all those anti-vaxers




“To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.”
~Thomas Paine

 

An interesting document dealing with post-viral fatigue syndrome:

 

I'm all for the push to motivate (and mandate in some cases) the unvaccinated to finally give in, just expect that 'proof of vaccination' 'reminder' fake cards will be a lot more popular as ways to spoof or enter fake information into vaccination passport systems with the unvaxx'd if it becomes widespread in the US. Every reasonable US vaccination passport system needs to take the paper card as acceptable documentation of proof because you can't mandate people carry electronic devices like a compatible smart phone to receive services.

Vaccination credentials only prove that you received a vaccine on a particular date—not that you do not have and cannot catch the disease. That's useful but is increasingly becoming less useful as breakthrough cases increase. A current negative coronavirus test is actually more useful as an admission document in the prevention of transmission in the Delta era.

https://ktvl.com/news/providence-pa...vid-19-vaccination-or-negative-test-for-games

PORTLAND, Ore — Providence Park will soon require proof of full COVID-19 vaccination or a negative coronavirus test for fans to attend games at the venue.

 

Would you like me to explain those numbers to you? No problem. 50% means that the vaccine is roughly as effective as a placebo at keeping you out of an ICU unit.

Your statement is only true if
- 50% of the population is vaccinated. Data is from Israel and their vaccination rate is rather high (among adult population).
If 10% of population is vaccinated and 50% of people in hospital are vaccinated, I would be concerned that the vaccin is making the population less healthy.
-if 50% of population is vaccinated and 50% are hospitalized, I would look into other factors (see below) otherwise, I would assume, as you did - vaccine does not help prevent hospitalization (but it does prevent death - a more important measure) but since you posted about "hospitalizations", I'll continue along that line.
- if more than 50% of population is vaccinated but only 50% of people in hospitals are vaccinated (as in Israel), I would assume the vaccine prevents hospitalizations.

ALSO
- in times of relatively low infection rates, more people with mild symptoms tend to go to the hospital rather than deciding to "ride it out" at home (they don't fear low quality care from overcrowded hospitals. So your binary reading of data is rather childish and there are deeper cause-effect relationships - please look/think deeper when you see "50%". Not all 50% statements mean "equal chance".

 

This shot was NOT a booster, it was a extra shot for the immune system compromised from a existing medical condition

I know I'm pretty dumb when compared to you, but how does that not qualify as a booster shot?

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covi...-approves-covid-booster-for-immunocompromised

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/when-can-immunocompromised-people-get-the-covid-19-booster-shot/

 

Today, 75% of Canadians (eligible, not young kids) are fully vaccinated.

I guess it all depends on what we read and choose to believe. Government of Canada as of noon EST today Friday August 20th 2021:

Fully vaccinated total population: 63.86% 12 and older 72.99%

So where do you get your numbers from and please do not mention the morning or evening news.

The problem with all of this is seeing inflated and skewed numbers. Especially when looking at fully vaccinated credible numbers. So 63.86% of total population is not quite 75% excluding young kids. So again what is your data source?

Ron