Today, 75% of Canadians (eligible, not young kids) are fully vaccinated.
75% of Canadians also want vaccination proof passports to keep the unvaxed people away from us.

I guess it all depends on what we read and choose to believe. Government of Canada as of noon EST today Friday August 20th 2021:

Fully vaccinated total population: 63.86% 12 and older 72.99%

So where do you get your numbers from and please do not mention the morning or evening news.

You have the data, as far asI'm concerned, your 72.99% IS, as Audioguru said, 75% in casual conversation. Is there something magical or important about the 2.01% round off they shouldn't have been rounded off? Who the blamm cares about the "data source"! Ha. Petty!

 

I guess it all depends on what we read and choose to believe. Government of Canada as of noon EST today Friday August 20th 2021:

Fully vaccinated total population: 63.86% 12 and older 72.99%

So where do you get your numbers from and please do not mention the morning or evening news.

The problem with all of this is seeing inflated and skewed numbers. Especially when looking at fully vaccinated credible numbers. So 63.86% of total population is not quite 75% excluding young kids. So again what is your data source?

Ron

I said 75% (it was actually 74.7% shown at noon Aug 20 on CP24 TV station) but you said 72.99% which is only 2.3% less. On the previous page it was said that the vaccine is totally useless in Israel? Unbelievable.

 

I said 75% (it was actually 74.7% shown at noon Aug 20 on CP24 TV station) but you said 72.99% which is only 2.3% less. On the previous page it was said that the vaccine is totally useless in Israel? Unbelievable.

The comments on Israel vaccines was by a person that didn't understand what the percentage means, not that the percentage was wrong. The lesson from Israel is that high percentages of vaccines on the population is not a magic fix for the pandemic. A 80% immunity rate is still too low.

 

The virus will be finished when all the unvaccinated people are gone. They won't have any jobs and have no money so they will burn, freeze or starve to death if they try to survive the virus.

 

The virus will be finished when all the unvaccinated people are gone. They won't have any jobs and have no money so they will burn, freeze or starve to death if they try to survive the virus.

No need for this type of melodrama. Most of the unvaccinated will be OK after infection. They won't be all gone and they will have some form of virus immunity to the current variant so making them outcasts is totally counterproductive if the goal is to eventually get back to 'normal'.

Lets just remember the virus is world-wide and that the delta variant came from India, not from Canadian or USA unvaccinated. There is a huge number of unvaccinated on this planet waiting to be the host for a possible version of the virus that treats the currently vaccinated as a slice of apple pie. Ask the guys in Australia how that isolation strategy is working as a protection from increasingly contagious variants.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/australia-japan-report-record-covid-19-rises

As many countries struggle to rein in the highly transmissible Delta (B1617.2) COVID-19 variant, Australia and Japan reported new single-day highs, while situations stabilized in some parts of Africa and the Americas.

Elsewhere, New Zealand reported 11 new cases in a growing cluster in the Auckland area.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new-zealand-s-ardern-vows-stamp-out-delta-covid-outbreak-n1277232

WELLINGTON — Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern urged New Zealanders on Friday to adhere to her strategy to eliminate the fast-spreading Delta variant as she extended a strict lockdown amid a surge in infections.

 

Your idea is to let all the unvaccinated get infected with the virus? Then some (millions?) of them will be maimed for the remainder of their short life or die with the infection of the lungs? The vaccine prevents this misery.

Today, the entire world is using vaccine passports to ban unvaccinated "outcasts" even if they have survived an infection.

 

Your idea is to let all the unvaccinated get infected with the virus? Then some (millions?) of them will be maimed for the remainder of their short life or die with the infection of the lungs? The vaccine prevents this misery.

Today, the entire world is using vaccine passports to ban unvaccinated "outcasts" even if they have survived an infection.

No, I want the unvaccinated to get vaccinated, saving those people from misery even if it requires a vaccine mandate and tramples their 'freedom'. However I like to live in the real world of real science that gives us actual numbers of those with will get sick vs those that are asymptomatic infected even if not vaccinated. You are also being mislead by percentages. Unvaccinated individuals are more likely to become infected, sick and die of COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated and this is causing huge problems in the medical system. This doesn't mean all or even most unvaccinated infected individuals will get sick and die.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

Cases: 133,056 Current 7-Day Average*
Hospitalizations: 11,521 Current 7-Day Average
Deaths: 641 Current 7-Day Average*

IMO it's foolish to only depend on outdated (up to 8 months currently) vaccination dates in a smart phone or paper card for a personal current virus transmission status. A current negative Covid test result is a hell of a lot more reliable indicator of current infection status. This is why most of the world also accepts current negative Covid test results.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56522408

Israel

The green pass system will only allow those over the age of 12 who are vaccinated, recovered from Covid-19 or who present a negative test result to attend large events and enter certain public spaces, the Times of Israel reports. The new pass will come into effect from 29 July.

France

In order to obtain the pass, people must have proof they are fully vaccinated, recently tested negative or recently recovered from the virus.

 

Keep in mind that there are many people who have never been vaccinated but in the case of an infection, are unlikely to be good hosts because of naturally acquired immunity. 16 million in the United States alone.

 

Keep in mind that there are many people who have never been vaccinated but in the case of an infection, are unlikely to be good hosts because of naturally acquired immunity. 16 million in the United States alone.

16M out of 330M = -5%.
Those with natural immunity don't know they have natural immunity so they are likely randomly distributed with already vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
natural immunity is not a strategy.
I have less than 5% chance of being in a catastrophic car accident in my lifetime but wear my seatbelt every time I start my car.

 

Ask the guys in Australia how that isolation strategy is working as a protection from increasingly contagious variants.

Looking at total infections per population I'd say they do about two orders of magnitude better than many other countries.

 

The latest version of Hydroxychloroquine, something new that should NOT be taken to treat the Covid19 j - https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

And where people got the idea from. The report was written by a Dr. who works for the company making the drug and published before being peer reviewed. https://journals.lww.com/americanth...mectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v2

Comparison of two highly-effective mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 during periods of Alpha and Delta variant prevalence


Delta is now our baseline so up to a third of the now vaccinated are losing transmission protection to some degree from the virus. Most won't get very sick but they could still be carriers of the virus. If you qualify for a 3rd shot get it.

https://deadline.com/2021/08/los-angeles-breakthrough-infections-covid-amount-cases-1234818477/

“With these high rates of community transmission, more fully vaccinated people are getting post vaccination infections. However, this very same information also makes it clear how much protection fully-vaccinated people have,” said Ferrer. “Most of us that are fully vaccinated, we don’t get infected. And if we do get infected, we don’t end up hospitalized and they are very unlikely to tragically lose their life to Covid if fully vaccinated.”

The antivax crew will be lollipop candy for delta.

 

Looking at total infections per population I'd say they do about two orders of magnitude better than many other countries.

Their 'isolate to COVID-Zero' was a good strategy for most of the pandemic, until it wasn't because of the lack of an end-game in a world with increasing contagious variants that can evade their quarantine controls.. Delta is the baseline now that can't be completely controlled by current vaccines in a country with very little natural covid-19 immunity to help reduce cases.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021...rrested-at-anti-coronavirus-lockdown-protests

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/21/pol...as-australia-reports-record-covid-cases-.html

Australian police clashed with hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters in Melbourne and Sydney on Saturday as officials reported the country’s highest ever single-day rise in Covid-19 cases.

Mounted police used pepper spray in Melbourne to break up crowds surging toward police lines, while smaller groups of protesters were prevented from congregating in Sydney by a large contingent of riot police.

There was no information immediately available on arrests. Police in Victoria had vowed to hand out fines of A$5,000 ($3,600) to any protestor they could identify taking part.

Sydney, a city of more than 5 million people, has been in a strict lockdown for more than two months now, failing so far to contain an outbreak that has spread across internal borders and as far as neighboring New Zealand.

How much longer can they keep the lid on with the current case rate going exponential even with strict measures in effect..

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/asia/australia-covid-worst-day-intl-hnk/index.html

Speaking at a news conference, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said "the Delta strain is like nothing Australia has seen before."
"Even in very strict and harsh lockdowns, the virus is spreading -- and that is a fact," she added. "So what we need to do is to protect ourselves and our loved ones by staying at home, and also by getting vaccinated."

'Shift in attitude'
The protests highlight the challenge faced by Australian authorities in sticking to strict containment measures.
For more than a year, Australia was regarded as a success story in containing Covid-19. It sealed off its borders to almost all foreigners, imposed strict quarantines for arrivals, and introduced aggressive testing and tracing regimes to catch any cases that slipped through its defenses.
But its zero-Covid strategy is being challenged by the Delta variant, which is estimated to be as transmissible as chickenpox.
In recent weeks, Australian officials have signaled that they are moving away from the attempt to completely eradicate the coronavirus.
Berejiklian, the NSW premier, said at a news conference Thursday that people would have to learn to live with Delta. "In New South Wales, we are learning that earlier than in other states," she said.

 

Thought provoking question. Now == after fully vaccinated and not immune compromised.

Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098

There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination.
Which is better?
Even asking the question bordered on heresy a year ago, when catching Covid for the first time could be deadly, especially for the elderly or people already in poor health.
Now, we're no longer starting with zero immunity as the overwhelming majority of people have either been vaccinated or have already caught the virus.
It is now a serious question that has implications for whether children should ever be vaccinated. And whether we use the virus or booster shots to top up immunity in adults. Both have become contentious issues.
...
Of course, with cases continuing to rumble on, there may not be much choice.
"I'm wondering whether it's inevitable," said Prof Klenerman, as if the virus continues to spread then "there will be this ongoing boosting effect".

 

Not surprising research results.
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100

Experimental investigation of indoor aerosol dispersion and accumulation in the context of COVID-19: Effects of masks and ventilation

The results demonstrate that the apparent exhalation filtration efficiency is significantly lower than the ideal filtration efficiency of the mask material. Nevertheless, high-efficiency masks, such as the KN95, still offer substantially higher apparent filtration efficiencies (60% and 46% for R95 and KN95 masks, respectively) than the more commonly used cloth (10%) and surgical masks (12%), and therefore are still the recommended choice in mitigating airborne disease transmission indoors. The results also suggest that, while higher ventilation capacities are required to fully mitigate aerosol build-up, even relatively low air-change rates (2 h−12 h−1) lead to lower aerosol build-up compared to the best performing mask in an unventilated space.

 

16M out of 330M = -5%.
Those with natural immunity don't know they have natural immunity so they are likely randomly distributed with already vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
natural immunity is not a strategy.
I have less than 5% chance of being in a catastrophic car accident in my lifetime but wear my seatbelt every time I start my car.

What strategy ended the 1918 flu epidemic? It is a rhetorical question.

 

What strategy ended the 1918 flu epidemic?

Survival of the fittest? ...

 

Survival of the fittest? ...

Mask Mandates were lifted and it surged a bit and died out. Killing with it the last remaining people with it or didn’t kill them and they survived. On the other hand it was far more deadly than COVID in respect that once you got it you were dead within a few days, where as covid might take 3-4 weeks to fully manifest.

Different type of virus, but still mutated at least 3 times circling the earth. Delta is the mutation of concern now, it still can continue until we either gain some immunity or die in the process.
Vaxing may only prolong the process? If get it and live well maybe I gain some antibodies good for me and anyone near me.


kv

 

Thought provoking question. Now == after fully vaccinated and not immune compromised.

Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098

Also this https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

Everything is to be taken with a giant grain of salt.

I have had 2 original shots, i will not be taking any boosters or other shots until something better is proposed. Studies have not been done for repeat vaccination of healthy individuals.

 

Also this https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

Everything is to be taken with a giant grain of salt.

I have had 2 original shots, i will not be taking any boosters or other shots until something better is proposed. Studies have not been done for repeat vaccination of healthy individuals.

More (variant) protection with natural infection at the cost of much higher mortality if you're 60 or older. I'll stick with the shots thank you.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/312078

The Health Ministry vaccination committee decided Thursday night to lower the age at which Israelis would be eligible to receive a third dose of the coronavirus vaccine to 40.

The decision was made unanimously, in light of the evidence for the effectiveness of the vaccine against severe morbidity in people aged 50 and over who have received the booster shot.

Just a week ago, the committee recommended lowering the minimum age to receive the vaccine to 50. Two weeks ago the campaign to provide Israelis with a third vaccine dose with citizens over the age of 60.